All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The derp is getting pretty strong already and we still have weeks to go
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die downNot from me it damn well won't. I am still trying to come to terms with 1905. And as it is now cricket season there is this that still irritates me
followed shortly after by this one
These also still leave a bitter taste in the mouth https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/76685615/five-incidents-that-rocked-new-zealand-v-australia-one-day-cricket-matches don't even get me started on this one
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The derp is getting pretty strong already and we still have weeks to go
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
Wouldn't even be the least credentialed AB head coach from those early 90s Waikato teams. I'm sure Foster would have a better backroom though.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die downNot from me it damn well won't. I am still trying to come to terms with 1905. And as it is now cricket season there is this that still irritates me
followed shortly after by this one
These also still leave a bitter taste in the mouth https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/76685615/five-incidents-that-rocked-new-zealand-v-australia-one-day-cricket-matches don't even get me started on this one
@Higgins said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die downNot from me it damn well won't. I am still trying to come to terms with 1905.
This. A thousand times.
If we're talking cricket I still rate the Underarm as one of the the worst. I can can remember our whole family crowded round the telly shouting at it.
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@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So it’s down to haircut then?
Razor has no chance.And explains why Squire wasn't able to nail down the no.6 jersey, I guess...
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@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So it’s down to haircut then?
Razor has no chance.And explains why Squire wasn't able to nail down the no.6 jersey, I guess...
@Victor-Meldrew said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So it’s down to haircut then?
Razor has no chance.And explains why Squire wasn't able to nail down the no.6 jersey, I guess...
Nope. See Goodhue.
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@taniwharugby Yeah - it's money for jam.
I have my interview Thursday week.
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@mariner4life said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
The derp is getting pretty strong already and we still have weeks to go
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.
Insiders? Only BB would be considered an 'insider' in the loosest terms as the fish heads won't be telling the players ahead of times. He has given Foster an endorsement (as did Hansen). Nothing unusual in that. I get endorsements for stuff on LinkedIn but it doesn't mean I'm a shoe in for a job.
Decided years ago? Not even the NZR are that stupid. There is no doubt that Foster will know that good performances in house give him an advantage over outside candidates simply because he works closer with the management team and they may have more of an insight into his qualities. That can work the other way as well though. Also you can't ignore the fact that the CEO has changed and there are panelists from outside of the inner workings.
How are the NZR paying 'lip service'? Just because they aren't tweeting out notes after seeing every candidate or doing the process through the press that doesn't mean they are hiding a sham. They are doing what any employer would do and that is interview privately.
Hilariously approached 26 candidates? Surely approaching only a pre-assessed short list would be more of a show? This is really no different to common practice of inviting current employees to apply for a promoted role (part of the reason for doing this is that it gives those people a bigger insight into where they need to develop) and ensures that coaches working overseas are sent the message that they aren't forgotten or pre-judged. I would be pretty certain that only a handful actually applied and that was always expected. The process and courtesy is good practice.
There is hardly going to be a 'quiet announcement'. This thread alone proves the level of public interest and the sports media will be jumping all over the decision and picking it apart.
As for 'least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory'. What complete bullshit. 8 years hands on as part of an AB coaching setup that produced a mid 80s% win rate (well above historical average) provides credentials. It is well known that Foster runs the trainings and implements the coaching plans. As for 'deserving', well that is entirely subjective. Please tell what Razor or Rennie or Joseph have done to 'deserve' appointment? They have built records that put themselves forward strongly as candidates but no one gets to 'deserve' the job.
What the decision will hopefully be based on is whether a candidate has the goods for the next cycle. Foster appears to outsiders to be culpable for his part in the RWC, however we don't know the inner workings. Maybe he was a dissenting voice to the SB selection? Maybe he wanted to amp them up more for the game but Hansen wanted to take a measured approach? Maybe he wanted to hold back a little against Ireland knowing that it could backfire?
I'm not saying that is all true and I can't see that he isn't part of the decision to move away from experience. The coaching and selecting groups made errors and he will have to explain those. Was it that they were collectively running out of ideas? If so then continuity goes out the window as does Foster. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
So it’s down to haircut then?
Razor has no chance.And explains why Squire wasn't able to nail down the no.6 jersey, I guess...
Nope. See Goodhue.
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.
Insiders? Only BB would be considered an 'insider' in the loosest terms as the fish heads won't be telling the players ahead of times. He has given Foster an endorsement (as did Hansen). Nothing unusual in that. I get endorsements for stuff on LinkedIn but it doesn't mean I'm a shoe in for a job.
Decided years ago? Not even the NZR are that stupid. There is no doubt that Foster will know that good performances in house give him an advantage over outside candidates simply because he works closer with the management team and they may have more of an insight into his qualities. That can work the other way as well though. Also you can't ignore the fact that the CEO has changed and there are panelists from outside of the inner workings.
How are the NZR paying 'lip service'? Just because they aren't tweeting out notes after seeing every candidate or doing the process through the press that doesn't mean they are hiding a sham. They are doing what any employer would do and that is interview privately.
Hilariously approached 26 candidates? Surely approaching only a pre-assessed short list would be more of a show? This is really no different to common practice of inviting current employees to apply for a promoted role (part of the reason for doing this is that it gives those people a bigger insight into where they need to develop) and ensures that coaches working overseas are sent the message that they aren't forgotten or pre-judged. I would be pretty certain that only a handful actually applied and that was always expected. The process and courtesy is good practice.
There is hardly going to be a 'quiet announcement'. This thread alone proves the level of public interest and the sports media will be jumping all over the decision and picking it apart.
As for 'least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory'. What complete bullshit. 8 years hands on as part of an AB coaching setup that produced a mid 80s% win rate (well above historical average) provides credentials. It is well known that Foster runs the trainings and implements the coaching plans. As for 'deserving', well that is entirely subjective. Please tell what Razor or Rennie or Joseph have done to 'deserve' appointment? They have built records that put themselves forward strongly as candidates but no one gets to 'deserve' the job.
What the decision will hopefully be based on is whether a candidate has the goods for the next cycle. Foster appears to outsiders to be culpable for his part in the RWC, however we don't know the inner workings. Maybe he was a dissenting voice to the SB selection? Maybe he wanted to amp them up more for the game but Hansen wanted to take a measured approach? Maybe he wanted to hold back a little against Ireland knowing that it could backfire?
I'm not saying that is all true and I can't see that he isn't part of the decision to move away from experience. The coaching and selecting groups made errors and he will have to explain those. Was it that they were collectively running out of ideas? If so then continuity goes out the window as does Foster.@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.
Strange comment. I want Scott Robertson to stay at the Crusaders for 2-3 years. At the very least for next year when we have a new coaching team and so many new/inexperienced players.
Btw, you don't think Steve Hansen is a NZR 'insider'? Alongside Steve Tew you don't get more of an insider.
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@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.
Strange comment. I want Scott Robertson to stay at the Crusaders for 2-3 years. At the very least for next year when we have a new coaching team and so many new/inexperienced players.
Btw, you don't think Steve Hansen is a NZR 'insider'? Alongside Steve Tew you don't get more of an insider.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.
Strange comment. I want Scott Robertson to stay at the Crusaders for 2-3 years. At the very least for next year when we have a new coaching team and so many new/inexperienced players.
Btw, you don't think Steve Hansen is a NZR 'insider'? Alongside Steve Tew you don't get more of an insider.
Neither work there anymore. Or did you miss that news?
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@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.
Strange comment. I want Scott Robertson to stay at the Crusaders for 2-3 years. At the very least for next year when we have a new coaching team and so many new/inexperienced players.
Btw, you don't think Steve Hansen is a NZR 'insider'? Alongside Steve Tew you don't get more of an insider.
Neither work there anymore. Or did you miss that news?
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.
Strange comment. I want Scott Robertson to stay at the Crusaders for 2-3 years. At the very least for next year when we have a new coaching team and so many new/inexperienced players.
Btw, you don't think Steve Hansen is a NZR 'insider'? Alongside Steve Tew you don't get more of an insider.
Neither work there anymore. Or did you miss that news?
Hansen's comments about Foster were made when he was in his 16th year coaching the AB's. That makes him an Insider in my books.
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@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.
Strange comment. I want Scott Robertson to stay at the Crusaders for 2-3 years. At the very least for next year when we have a new coaching team and so many new/inexperienced players.
Btw, you don't think Steve Hansen is a NZR 'insider'? Alongside Steve Tew you don't get more of an insider.
Neither work there anymore. Or did you miss that news?
Hansen's comments about Foster were made when he was in his 16th year coaching the AB's. That makes him an Insider in my books.
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Cantab79 said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I think the whole process is for show. Given the way that the 'insiders' have been talking, Hansen, Wayne Smith, Beauden Barrett etc, I suspect that the NZR board decided years ago that Ian Foster was going to replace Steve Hansen. Had we won the RWC this would have been a much easier process for them, but given our spectacular loss to England NZR now needs to appear to be paying lip service to a proper recruitment process. The fact that they hilariously approached 26 candidates to apply is a testament to this. But disappointment in NZ over the semi final loss in Yokohama will soon die down, and just before Christmas, during the height of cricket season, NZR will quietly announce that Ian Foster will take over for the next four years. Probably 8 years, the way recent trends have gone. And he will be the least deserving or credentialed AB head coach in living memory.
This is close to the biggest load of bollocks posted on the sports boards in ages. Totally smacks of getting excuses in early if your golden boy doesn't get appointed.
Strange comment. I want Scott Robertson to stay at the Crusaders for 2-3 years. At the very least for next year when we have a new coaching team and so many new/inexperienced players.
Btw, you don't think Steve Hansen is a NZR 'insider'? Alongside Steve Tew you don't get more of an insider.
Neither work there anymore. Or did you miss that news?
Hansen's comments about Foster were made when he was in his 16th year coaching the AB's. That makes him an Insider in my books.
Your logic is screwed.
So Hansen is party to inside knowledge that a group of people that are no longer working at NZR will be able to dictate to their replacements that they will select Foster when Hansen retires.
Yes, Hansen WAS an insider. He isn't any longer and his mate Tew has also gone.I'm not saying that the board is going to make the correct decision and not make mistakes but none of your reasoning as to why Foster will get the job stands up to scrutiny.
If he gets the job it will be because he has convinced them (rightly or wrongly) that he can pick up and continue to progress the team in the required direction. He has 'inside running' as an incumbent, but that it. It is more likely to count against him as for him. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
See Goodhue.
With that mullet, I'd rather not...
Ardie would have been out on his ear too
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@Victor-Meldrew said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
See Goodhue.
With that mullet, I'd rather not...
Ardie would have been out on his ear too
@booboo said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
Ardie would have been out on his ear too
I was goggle-eyed, I tell you.
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@dogmeat I hadn't thought of wearing a bow tie to the interview.
A new suit though? I've still got a Hallensteins one from 1990 that I can squeeze into.
Years ago when I worked in Wellington we had a guy who used to fly into meetings with the big bosses, who used to adopt this policy. When you met him in the region in his normal clothes he looked fine - but, for wellington he thought he needed his old polyester suit.
When pay assessment time came around we concluded that Jack had a 10 grand suit, because that was what it cost him!
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He does make some good points. They didn't know who their best team was, the gameplan was flawed. Of course he has zero say in the decision
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I've not read the article but his plan to leave after initial hand over post the '15 exodus was the right one. I can't remember if he was just Lions initially then leave or just a year? But either would've been right IMO
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I've not read the article but his plan to leave after initial hand over post the '15 exodus was the right one. I can't remember if he was just Lions initially then leave or just a year? But either would've been right IMO
I do wonder if he was asked to stay on though. At the point in time Foster was the only likely candidate with a demanding CV and/or available.
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@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I've not read the article but his plan to leave after initial hand over post the '15 exodus was the right one. I can't remember if he was just Lions initially then leave or just a year? But either would've been right IMO
I do wonder if he was asked to stay on though. At the point in time Foster was the only likely candidate with a demanding CV and/or available.
@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Machpants said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I've not read the article but his plan to leave after initial hand over post the '15 exodus was the right one. I can't remember if he was just Lions initially then leave or just a year? But either would've been right IMO
I do wonder if he was asked to stay on though. At the point in time Foster was the only likely candidate with a demanding CV and/or available.
IIRC it felt like he was asked to stay, and that he kind of knew it was probably time to go. In fairness, they were one poor selection and flawed game plan away from being threepeat finalists
