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Possible All Blacks 2020

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  • DuluthD Duluth

    @No-Quarter said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

    Bridge is not a player that can open up a tight test, he's really just a safe pair of hands.

    An All Black winger should be able to beat players with footwork. He's a good player with plenty of speed who looks good on the end of a chain. I'm not convinced he has the skillset for tight spaces that other wingers have.
    He is also really hesitant when it comes to backing himself on the outside. He cuts back in way too often.

    If his kicking game is good enough I think he would be a very good fullback. Unfortunately won't get the opportunity to play there at the Crusaders

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    @Duluth said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

    @No-Quarter said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

    Bridge is not a player that can open up a tight test, he's really just a safe pair of hands.

    An All Black winger should be able to beat players with footwork. He's a good player with plenty of speed who looks good on the end of a chain. I'm not convinced he has the skillset for tight spaces that other wingers have.
    He is also really hesitant when it comes to backing himself on the outside. He cuts back in way too often.

    If his kicking game is good enough I think he would be a very good fullback. Unfortunately won't get the opportunity to play there at the Crusaders

    Are you still talking about Bridge or have you switched to Caleb Ralph? πŸ˜‰

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      @Chris-B said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

      @sparky Those four little guys are rarely going to make dominant tackles - more than a quarter of the team.

      Poor old Reiko getting no love? πŸ™‚

      Reiko Ioane was a disappointing dud in the RWC. His form was fine in his one game this year. Needs more of the same.

      I'm disappointed with Braydon Ennor defensive work so far this season. Could make the ABs starting line up if he make dominant tackles on a regular basis. If he remains fit, I am sure Laumape will get lots of game time for the ABs in 2020.

      Backs aren't the issue. Lots of very good players. Lock and Back Row is where the cupboard looks thin.

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      @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

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        @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

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        @98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

        @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

        i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short

        although a good jumper can play "taller"

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        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

          @98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

          @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

          i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short

          although a good jumper can play "taller"

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          @mariner4life

          1.93 on the Crusaders site.. the other number is probably a stat from the u20's?

          There are still sites that claim Papali'i is 95kg

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            @98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

            @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

            i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short

            although a good jumper can play "taller"

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            @mariner4life Geez, then Luke Jacobson (191cm) better stay at home, too.

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            • StargazerS Stargazer

              @mariner4life Geez, then Luke Jacobson (191cm) better stay at home, too.

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              @Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

              @mariner4life Geez, then Luke Jacobson (191cm) better stay at home, too.

              yes, at 6, he should. Especially dependent on who is at 8. If our tallest loose forward is 191 that's not good enough

              I'm not sold on any of them, so don't try and divide it by team lines

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                @Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                @mariner4life Geez, then Luke Jacobson (191cm) better stay at home, too.

                yes, at 6, he should. Especially dependent on who is at 8. If our tallest loose forward is 191 that's not good enough

                I'm not sold on any of them, so don't try and divide it by team lines

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                @mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).

                I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).

                It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.

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                • StargazerS Stargazer

                  @mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).

                  I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).

                  It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.

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                  @Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                  @mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).

                  I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).

                  It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.

                  i agree. My thoughts are is, if 2 of our starting loosies are Cane and Savea (npt something i agree with) then 193 is too short

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    @Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                    @mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).

                    I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).

                    It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.

                    i agree. My thoughts are is, if 2 of our starting loosies are Cane and Savea (npt something i agree with) then 193 is too short

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                    @mariner4life Shannon Frizell will be happy to read that. 😬

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                    • StargazerS Stargazer

                      @mariner4life Shannon Frizell will be happy to read that. 😬

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                      @Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                      @mariner4life Shannon Frizell will be happy to read that. 😬

                      the man, the myth.

                      how exactly does a go from teh bench to the squad? he never plays!

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                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                        @Chris-B said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                        @mariner4life I'm not blaming them - but, I reckon if we'd had a more general level of calm then maybe that push doesn't happen.

                        nup, I'm not having that. SW is supposed to bring the calm. He's an experienced player who is also a captain. It's his job to rise above the storm and provide stability for the others to feed off, not the other way around.

                        I'll give you that, with hindsight, there was a distinct lack of leadership across the park. And that definitely had an effect. But i will not go so far as to forgive a leader for a boneheaded play.

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                        @mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                        @Chris-B said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                        @mariner4life I'm not blaming them - but, I reckon if we'd had a more general level of calm then maybe that push doesn't happen.

                        nup, I'm not having that. SW is supposed to bring the calm. He's an experienced player who is also a captain. It's his job to rise above the storm and provide stability for the others to feed off, not the other way around.

                        I'll give you that, with hindsight, there was a distinct lack of leadership across the park. And that definitely had an effect. But i will not go so far as to forgive a leader for a boneheaded play.

                        This. That was completely unforgivable and that single act alone should rule him out of any captaincy discussions.

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                          Read was 1.93 and had no problem being an international line out target.
                          Kaino was 1.96 and we'd all love to have a younger version of him. 3cm shouldn't make a difference. Surely the height/arm length of the lifters is just as important?

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                            @Crucial having interviewed Jerome Kaino ,and Victor Vito was standing beside him ,there is no way in gods earth he is 1.96..is that the old 6’4 measurement..?, Vito is 6’2, Jerome is about an inch taller, I have picture of them standing together and there is hardly any difference ..
                            Much of the stats are very suspect, I have heard commentators , Ken Laban for example is shocking ..they add height and weight on to players , it does my head in ,Solomon Alaimalo is supposed to be 6’5, Solomon is 6’3, spoken to him many times and even joked about his height...
                            Julian Savea was another one who is 6’2 but I have commentators saying is the same height as a Jonah..
                            Israel Folau is listed at 6’3 on Wikipedia..,he is actually 6’5, and their is no way even Jerome or Solomon are taller than Israel..

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                              I'm 187 and i wasn't tall in country football. i find it hard to believe these guys are a couple of cm taller then me.

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                                I'd like to see a return to the JABS - would be a handy gauge on guys like Big Red, Sotutu, Miaele-Tu, Parkinson, Grace, Fakatava (if he ever takes the field) and ye - even Akira.

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                                  @Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                  @mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).

                                  I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).

                                  It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.

                                  i agree. My thoughts are is, if 2 of our starting loosies are Cane and Savea (npt something i agree with) then 193 is too short

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                                  @mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                  @Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                  @mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).

                                  I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).

                                  It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.

                                  i agree. My thoughts are is, if 2 of our starting loosies are Cane and Savea (npt something i agree with) then 193 is too short

                                  Get on the #Mako boat, my man. All problems solved by winners! πŸ™‚

                                  https://www.mako.nz/tasman-Mako$/shannon-frizell

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                                    @98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                    @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

                                    i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short

                                    although a good jumper can play "taller"

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                                    @mariner4life I’m tallish 192cm and he is my height if not a little taller. Tough though!

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                                      @98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                      @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

                                      i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short

                                      although a good jumper can play "taller"

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                                      @mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                      @98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                      @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

                                      i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short

                                      although a good jumper can play "taller"

                                      Send him to Ardie Baba.

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                                        @mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                        @98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                        @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

                                        i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short

                                        although a good jumper can play "taller"

                                        Send him to Ardie Baba.

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                                        @pakman said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                        @mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                        @98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                        @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

                                        i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short

                                        although a good jumper can play "taller"

                                        Send him to Ardie Baba.

                                        Ardie's barber?

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                                        • 9 98blueandgold

                                          @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

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                                          @98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:

                                          @sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though

                                          Grace is a big Talent rated highly by the Crusaders,But he's just turned 20 a future Allblack but not this year let him grow his game in SR.
                                          A Player for the next WC more than likely.

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