Possible All Blacks 2020
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@mariner4life Shannon Frizell will be happy to read that.
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life Shannon Frizell will be happy to read that.
the man, the myth.
how exactly does a go from teh bench to the squad? he never plays!
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@Chris-B said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not blaming them - but, I reckon if we'd had a more general level of calm then maybe that push doesn't happen.
nup, I'm not having that. SW is supposed to bring the calm. He's an experienced player who is also a captain. It's his job to rise above the storm and provide stability for the others to feed off, not the other way around.
I'll give you that, with hindsight, there was a distinct lack of leadership across the park. And that definitely had an effect. But i will not go so far as to forgive a leader for a boneheaded play.
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Chris-B said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not blaming them - but, I reckon if we'd had a more general level of calm then maybe that push doesn't happen.
nup, I'm not having that. SW is supposed to bring the calm. He's an experienced player who is also a captain. It's his job to rise above the storm and provide stability for the others to feed off, not the other way around.
I'll give you that, with hindsight, there was a distinct lack of leadership across the park. And that definitely had an effect. But i will not go so far as to forgive a leader for a boneheaded play.
This. That was completely unforgivable and that single act alone should rule him out of any captaincy discussions.
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@Crucial having interviewed Jerome Kaino ,and Victor Vito was standing beside him ,there is no way in gods earth he is 1.96..is that the old 6’4 measurement..?, Vito is 6’2, Jerome is about an inch taller, I have picture of them standing together and there is hardly any difference ..
Much of the stats are very suspect, I have heard commentators , Ken Laban for example is shocking ..they add height and weight on to players , it does my head in ,Solomon Alaimalo is supposed to be 6’5, Solomon is 6’3, spoken to him many times and even joked about his height...
Julian Savea was another one who is 6’2 but I have commentators saying is the same height as a Jonah..
Israel Folau is listed at 6’3 on Wikipedia..,he is actually 6’5, and their is no way even Jerome or Solomon are taller than Israel.. -
I'm 187 and i wasn't tall in country football. i find it hard to believe these guys are a couple of cm taller then me.
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I'd like to see a return to the JABS - would be a handy gauge on guys like Big Red, Sotutu, Miaele-Tu, Parkinson, Grace, Fakatava (if he ever takes the field) and ye - even Akira.
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@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
i agree. My thoughts are is, if 2 of our starting loosies are Cane and Savea (npt something i agree with) then 193 is too short
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
i agree. My thoughts are is, if 2 of our starting loosies are Cane and Savea (npt something i agree with) then 193 is too short
Get on the #Mako boat, my man. All problems solved by winners!
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@98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though
i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short
although a good jumper can play "taller"
@mariner4life I’m tallish 192cm and he is my height if not a little taller. Tough though!
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@98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though
i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short
although a good jumper can play "taller"
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though
i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short
although a good jumper can play "taller"
Send him to Ardie Baba.
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@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though
i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short
although a good jumper can play "taller"
Send him to Ardie Baba.
@pakman said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though
i thought i read he is "only" 190cm? That's probably a touch short
although a good jumper can play "taller"
Send him to Ardie Baba.
Ardie's barber?
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@sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though
@98blueandgold said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@sparky if Cullen Grace can repeat his game from the weekend numerous times I think he is a good option in back row at 6. Jumper plus tough. Possibly a year to early though
Grace is a big Talent rated highly by the Crusaders,But he's just turned 20 a future Allblack but not this year let him grow his game in SR.
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@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle. -
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.I think they had identified Jacobson as having that potential. Hope he gets another shot.
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@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.I think they had identified Jacobson as having that potential. Hope he gets another shot.
@Crucial said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.I think they had identified Jacobson as having that potential. Hope he gets another shot.
Yeah he is a talented young player I hope concussion problems doesn't curtail his rugby.It is happening far too much over the last few years.
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@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.With presumably Cane playing 7 and Ardie playing 8, we'll need a tall bruiser to give us (a) some height and (b) some physicality. Who that is, I do not know.
However, I can see S Barrett perhaps being the obvious choice to fill that role as he has, at least, the height requirement. I guess this will depend what our locking stocks look like come the middle of the year.
The other obvious 6 options Frizell or Fifita, but I don't see that happening without either one or both of them toughening-up significantly and becoming the modern-day Jerry Collins (with Cane and Ardie being McCaw and So'oilao, respectively).
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@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.With presumably Cane playing 7 and Ardie playing 8, we'll need a tall bruiser to give us (a) some height and (b) some physicality. Who that is, I do not know.
However, I can see S Barrett perhaps being the obvious choice to fill that role as he has, at least, the height requirement. I guess this will depend what our locking stocks look like come the middle of the year.
The other obvious 6 options Frizell or Fifita, but I don't see that happening without either one or both of them toughening-up significantly and becoming the modern-day Jerry Collins (with Cane and Ardie being McCaw and So'oilao, respectively).
@junior said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.With presumably Cane playing 7 and Ardie playing 8, we'll need a tall bruiser to give us (a) some height and (b) some physicality. Who that is, I do not know.
However, I can see S Barrett perhaps being the obvious choice to fill that role as he has, at least, the height requirement. I guess this will depend what our locking stocks look like come the middle of the year.
The other obvious 6 options Frizell or Fifita, but I don't see that happening without either one or both of them toughening-up significantly and becoming the modern-day Jerry Collins (with Cane and Ardie being McCaw and So'oilao, respectively).
That's a hard no to SBarrett at 6 for me.
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@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.With presumably Cane playing 7 and Ardie playing 8, we'll need a tall bruiser to give us (a) some height and (b) some physicality. Who that is, I do not know.
However, I can see S Barrett perhaps being the obvious choice to fill that role as he has, at least, the height requirement. I guess this will depend what our locking stocks look like come the middle of the year.
The other obvious 6 options Frizell or Fifita, but I don't see that happening without either one or both of them toughening-up significantly and becoming the modern-day Jerry Collins (with Cane and Ardie being McCaw and So'oilao, respectively).
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@junior said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.With presumably Cane playing 7 and Ardie playing 8, we'll need a tall bruiser to give us (a) some height and (b) some physicality. Who that is, I do not know.
However, I can see S Barrett perhaps being the obvious choice to fill that role as he has, at least, the height requirement. I guess this will depend what our locking stocks look like come the middle of the year.
The other obvious 6 options Frizell or Fifita, but I don't see that happening without either one or both of them toughening-up significantly and becoming the modern-day Jerry Collins (with Cane and Ardie being McCaw and So'oilao, respectively).
That's a hard no to SBarrett at 6 for me.
@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@junior said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.With presumably Cane playing 7 and Ardie playing 8, we'll need a tall bruiser to give us (a) some height and (b) some physicality. Who that is, I do not know.
However, I can see S Barrett perhaps being the obvious choice to fill that role as he has, at least, the height requirement. I guess this will depend what our locking stocks look like come the middle of the year.
The other obvious 6 options Frizell or Fifita, but I don't see that happening without either one or both of them toughening-up significantly and becoming the modern-day Jerry Collins (with Cane and Ardie being McCaw and So'oilao, respectively).
That's a hard no to SBarrett at 6 for me.
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm just thinking (a) where do we get our height from and (b) who played there in our last meaningful match (which our new head coach was crucially involved in, remember)? When the only other "incumbents" are Frizell and Fifita, I think both of these things will count for something in the selectors' eyes.
My preference is to jettison S Barrett (as a 6) and Fifita and take a punt on a young buck (with Frizell as the "experienced" backup option).
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Tom Robinson is another option at 6.
I think he's more likely to make the squad as a bench 6/lock. There's other players I would prefer to start at 6 but he's an option if we need height
@Duluth said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Tom Robinson is another option at 6.
I think he's more likely to make the squad as a bench 6/lock. There's other players I would prefer to start at 6 but he's an option if we need height
He'd be one of the contenders for my young buck punt
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@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@junior said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Chris said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Stargazer said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@mariner4life I'm not interested in team lines or Grace (too young). It was a comment on his height (193cm).
I'd like to see Jacobson at 6 (possibly covering 8).
It's all about the combos. Who are the locks and how tall are they. Who are the other loosies and what's their height.
Well you would think the AB's will Start Cane and Savea surley they are our best 2 LF's so the 3rd LF you would think has height otherwise we are compromised a bit come line out time, With the hints by Foster on needing physicality are they looking for a enforcer like Kanio.
It takes awhile for that sort of player to develop into the uncompromising hard enforcer, who isn't a liability with brain explosions in the heat of battle.With presumably Cane playing 7 and Ardie playing 8, we'll need a tall bruiser to give us (a) some height and (b) some physicality. Who that is, I do not know.
However, I can see S Barrett perhaps being the obvious choice to fill that role as he has, at least, the height requirement. I guess this will depend what our locking stocks look like come the middle of the year.
The other obvious 6 options Frizell or Fifita, but I don't see that happening without either one or both of them toughening-up significantly and becoming the modern-day Jerry Collins (with Cane and Ardie being McCaw and So'oilao, respectively).
That's a hard no to SBarrett at 6 for me.
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm just thinking (a) where do we get our height from and (b) who played there in our last meaningful match (which our new head coach was crucially involved in, remember)? When the only other "incumbents" are Frizell and Fifita, I think both of these things will count for something in the selectors' eyes.
My preference is to jettison S Barrett (as a 6) and Fifita and take a punt on a young buck (with Frizell as the "experienced" backup option).
@junior said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
My preference is to jettison S Barrett (as a 6) and Fifita and take a punt on a young buck (with Frizell as the "experienced" backup option).
Frizell is still pretty much just a young buck himself - turned 26 last week so he's about the same age as Kaino was when he made his proper start to test rugby. And he's not particularly experienced - having started Super rugby in 2018.
I don't think he's been bad in any of his tests and was very good vs Argentina in Nelson. Suffering a bit because he's been pulled a bit from left field, isn't who people from further north wanted to see and, like everyone else, he isn't Jerome Kaino.
Plenty of potential though.
