AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?

Bovidae

@gt12 How many runs/metres did Moody make in those 2 games? None of our props are great in this area.

Machpants

Mmmmm

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/picking-an-all-blacks-squad-at-the-halfway-point-of-super-rugby-aotearoa/

junior

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@Bones ALB/Goodhue, ALB/Ioane, Goodhue/Ioane, and Goodhue/ALB all lack a dominant midfield ball carrier, and rely on a player who looks to take the outside break.

we don't really have one in the country because we are at that point in our cycle where we abhor "bashers" and think skill and fitness is absolutely everything

which it absolutely is for Super Rugby if I'm being fair.

I agree totally with that philosophy. Size is important - you need some big guys in the backs to get you over the gain line, you need a big blindside in the forwards to take lineout ball and to provide bulk on defence, and if you have too many small guys in the backs the opposition will get over the gain line too frequently and easily.

Yes and with certified midgets playing at 9 and 10 (and possibly also 11), we need a decent amount of size in the backrow and midfield to balance that out.

Beaudy is quite large for a ten, and all nines are midgets nowadays, so not sure about this point?

You assume Beauty will be at 10...?

antipodean

Aaron
Beaudy
Clarke
Jordie
Ioane
Reece
Jordan

Machpants

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@Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@Bones ALB/Goodhue, ALB/Ioane, Goodhue/Ioane, and Goodhue/ALB all lack a dominant midfield ball carrier, and rely on a player who looks to take the outside break.

we don't really have one in the country because we are at that point in our cycle where we abhor "bashers" and think skill and fitness is absolutely everything

which it absolutely is for Super Rugby if I'm being fair.

I agree totally with that philosophy. Size is important - you need some big guys in the backs to get you over the gain line, you need a big blindside in the forwards to take lineout ball and to provide bulk on defence, and if you have too many small guys in the backs the opposition will get over the gain line too frequently and easily.

Yes and with certified midgets playing at 9 and 10 (and possibly also 11), we need a decent amount of size in the backrow and midfield to balance that out.

Beaudy is quite large for a ten, and all nines are midgets nowadays, so not sure about this point?

You assume Beauty will be at 10...?

Yes I do

gt12

@Bovidae

I’m glad you are coming around to my way of thinking. I’m not pleased with Moody either, but Moody’s problems don’t make up for Laulala’s weaknesses.

But to answer the question:

Against Blues:
6 runs, 8 metres
8 tackles, 2 misses
2 penalties

Against Landers:
5 runs, 12 metres
7 tackles made, 3 missed, 3 turnovers
2 penalties

Against Chiefs:
No runs, no metres - very Owen Franks like
7 tackles made, 3 missed
No penalties ties

akan004

@gt12 Moody misses a lot of tackles. I decided to punish myself the other night and watched the RWC semi again, and the two things that stood out in terms of defence was just how incredibly passive our defence was and how many tackles Moody missed. Unfortunately there's nobody better at this stage so he stays at loosehead. I have been relatively impressed with his carrying game in SRA but he needs to improve his tackling.

canefan

@akan004 passive is a great description. They got over the gain line with relative ease without a Jerome Kaino or a Richie McCaw to smash them back. And with Sam Cane on the bench....

akan004

@canefan said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@akan004 passive is a great description. They got over the gain line with relative ease without a Jerome Kaino or a Richie McCaw to smash them back

Yeah, and no line speed too. It worries me that we have retained the same defence coach. Compare our defensive system to SA's and England's and it's like we have forgotten that the game has moved on and are still defending like it's 2015. Blitz defence is the way to go atm.

Bones

@canefan said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@akan004 passive is a great description. They got over the gain line with relative ease without a Jerome Kaino or a Richie McCaw to smash them back. And with Sam Cane on the bench....

And Read left his shoulder in 2015....

canefan

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@canefan said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@akan004 passive is a great description. They got over the gain line with relative ease without a Jerome Kaino or a Richie McCaw to smash them back. And with Sam Cane on the bench....

And Read left his shoulder in 2015....

In the same place Sam Whitelock left his composure....

pakman

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Word. Clarke had to be in, he is a real weapon with all the extra skills.

Needs a touch more experience and he looks like he could be Bridge with a bit more power.

Clarke is young, but needs to get himself more involved if the ball isn't going his way.

Saw somewhere that Bridge was one of the fastest in AB squad, along with Rieko, BB and DMac.

pakman

@Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@gt12 Dmac looks as far from test level as possible this year. Maybe he'll be better next year when his knee is in better condition. Moli is dog shit at loosehead. Better at tighthead.

Hodgman would be my no 3 at LH, if that makes sense!

pakman

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One thing in Lomax's favour is the ABs forwards coach has plenty of knowledge about him.

I quite like him - definitely doesn't go backwards. Solid in contact (like Moli), just needs to knuckle down and play rugby.

Sometimes just goes down. Quite a lot to learn.

pakman

@Bovidae said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@gt12 I have thought Laulala has been better as a ball-carrier in the last 2 games than he has before. All relative I know, but he has taken the ball at speed and made some metres. He also doesn't give away as many scrum penalties as Ofa does. Ross has been the Chiefs prop having the dropsies.

Big Karl offers you the punch off the bench on the LH side. Moli is a big unit and the most mobile of the props along with Ofa. We've got less depth at LH so I can understand why he was asked to play there.

IMO our TH depth scrummaging wise is poor. Laulala is very solid, but no one else seems top tier test level.

Chris

@Machpants said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

Mmmmm

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/picking-an-all-blacks-squad-at-the-halfway-point-of-super-rugby-aotearoa/

Yep that’s not far away from what’s we will see come selection time

MN5

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Mmmmm

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/picking-an-all-blacks-squad-at-the-halfway-point-of-super-rugby-aotearoa/

Yep that’s not far away from what’s we will see come selection time

This will trigger @Bones when he wakes up

"Standing at 2.04m and 119kg, you would be hard-pressed to find anyone in New Zealand with a bigger frame than the 23-year-old, and it’s for that reason that there has been anticipation for a few seasons surrounding his future as a potential All Black.

Parkinson has come of age this year, though, as he’s given the Highlanders a safe option at the lineout while upping the tempo on attack as he continues to learn how to best utilise his massive body on the field".

kiwiinmelb

@akan004 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@canefan said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@akan004 passive is a great description. They got over the gain line with relative ease without a Jerome Kaino or a Richie McCaw to smash them back

Yeah, and no line speed too. It worries me that we have retained the same defence coach. Compare our defensive system to SA's and England's and it's like we have forgotten that the game has moved on and are still defending like it's 2015. Blitz defence is the way to go atm.

It’s interesting, because I got that feeling during the wc ,

We have gone from being the innovators to being left behind , when it comes to defence in particular

ACT Crusader

@Tim said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

Foster's starting forwards will probably be the following, and it will be a big wet turd. Then we'll thrash Australia and there will be one hundred posts about how good they are.

Moody

Taylor

Laulala

Whitelock

Barrett

Frizell

Cane

Savea

I doubt Barrett starts given his lack of game time.

Laulala?

Whether they go with Frizell is definitely up in the air. Not that he isn’t playing well and is showing a level and consistency we probably haven’t seen to date, but if they go with the two experienced loosies (Cane and Savea), there is an opportunity to look at Akira, Sotutu or MMT

antipodean

@kiwiinmelb said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@akan004 said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@canefan said in AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?:

@akan004 passive is a great description. They got over the gain line with relative ease without a Jerome Kaino or a Richie McCaw to smash them back

Yeah, and no line speed too. It worries me that we have retained the same defence coach. Compare our defensive system to SA's and England's and it's like we have forgotten that the game has moved on and are still defending like it's 2015. Blitz defence is the way to go atm.

It’s interesting, because I got that feeling during the wc ,

We have gone from being the innovators to being left behind , when it comes to defence in particular

Our defensive structure looks needlessly complicated and designed to have people ready to exploit counter attack opportunities. Opportunities that we couldn't organise but provided others.

The Silver Fern

AB squad for the Bledisloe Cup?