AB Captain
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@reprobate said in AB Captain:
@Crucial
Sotutu would be worth a look at 7 I think. Not generally a fan of 'get the best guys on the field, then sort the positions out', but I would like to see him have a crack there for the Blues, with Akira at 8 and Robinson at 6, Dalton covering the bench.I like Cane, I think dropping him in the WC was a terrible decision. Leadership group for sure, but captaincy I'm not sure of. The Chiefs have looked pretty headless.
Yeah I reckon Tuipulotu should be given a crack at prop. It'd be good to have a captain in the front row.
Aaron Smith might be a good shout for hooker too with that accurate throw.
@Bones said in AB Captain:
@reprobate said in AB Captain:
@Crucial
Sotutu would be worth a look at 7 I think. Not generally a fan of 'get the best guys on the field, then sort the positions out', but I would like to see him have a crack there for the Blues, with Akira at 8 and Robinson at 6, Dalton covering the bench.I like Cane, I think dropping him in the WC was a terrible decision. Leadership group for sure, but captaincy I'm not sure of. The Chiefs have looked pretty headless.
Yeah I reckon Tuipulotu should be given a crack at prop. It'd be good to have a captain in the front row.
Aaron Smith might be a good shout for hooker too with that accurate throw.
Well that's just stupid. Clearly if you start Tuipulotu at prop, you can't have Smith at 2 because his feet wouldn't touch the ground in scrums. I think the better way to go would be Jordie at hooker next to Patrick, that way you'd at least have a nice angling scrum, that'd properly mess with the oppo.
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Crucial you have to ask? long term planning, continuity in leadership in the case of a captain or building that shorthand between players in the case of the actual rugby
Tana was 31 when he first captained in 2004. He only captained for 2 years. That was an excellent appointment.
@KiwiMurph not arguing when its a pretty clear choice as that was from memory, not a hard and fast rule or anything, just thought a given that if given two options equal in every sense except age you'd pick the younger one given the benefits you might get from being longer in the job, might be wrong
to be clear, not campaigning for cane to loose the job, just as likely he'll have a blinder first game up for the AB's and this is never mentioned again
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@Bones said in AB Captain:
@reprobate said in AB Captain:
@Crucial
Sotutu would be worth a look at 7 I think. Not generally a fan of 'get the best guys on the field, then sort the positions out', but I would like to see him have a crack there for the Blues, with Akira at 8 and Robinson at 6, Dalton covering the bench.I like Cane, I think dropping him in the WC was a terrible decision. Leadership group for sure, but captaincy I'm not sure of. The Chiefs have looked pretty headless.
Yeah I reckon Tuipulotu should be given a crack at prop. It'd be good to have a captain in the front row.
Aaron Smith might be a good shout for hooker too with that accurate throw.
Well that's just stupid. Clearly if you start Tuipulotu at prop, you can't have Smith at 2 because his feet wouldn't touch the ground in scrums. I think the better way to go would be Jordie at hooker next to Patrick, that way you'd at least have a nice angling scrum, that'd properly mess with the oppo.
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@Bones said in AB Captain:
@voodoo ok but Ardie MUST play halfback.
You can't put the tallest player in the sqaud at nine!
@Machpants said in AB Captain:
@Bones said in AB Captain:
@voodoo ok but Ardie MUST play halfback.
You can't put the tallest player in the sqaud at nine!
But he's got the tools.
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@Machpants said in AB Captain:
@Bones said in AB Captain:
@voodoo ok but Ardie MUST play halfback.
You can't put the tallest player in the sqaud at nine!
But he's got the tools.
@Bones said in AB Captain:
@Machpants said in AB Captain:
@Bones said in AB Captain:
@voodoo ok but Ardie MUST play halfback.
You can't put the tallest player in the sqaud at nine!
But he's got the tools.
Gobby Shite?
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@Bones said in AB Captain:
@Machpants said in AB Captain:
@Bones said in AB Captain:
@voodoo ok but Ardie MUST play halfback.
You can't put the tallest player in the sqaud at nine!
But he's got the tools.
Gobby Shite?
@Machpants my thoughts exactly.
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@Crucial you have to ask? long term planning, continuity in leadership in the case of a captain or building that shorthand between players in the case of the actual rugby
@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Crucial you have to ask? long term planning, continuity in leadership in the case of a captain or building that shorthand between players in the case of the actual rugby
He's 28 FFS NOT 38!
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@KiwiMurph not arguing when its a pretty clear choice as that was from memory, not a hard and fast rule or anything, just thought a given that if given two options equal in every sense except age you'd pick the younger one given the benefits you might get from being longer in the job, might be wrong
to be clear, not campaigning for cane to loose the job, just as likely he'll have a blinder first game up for the AB's and this is never mentioned again
@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@KiwiMurph not arguing when its a pretty clear choice as that was from memory, not a hard and fast rule or anything, just thought a given that if given two options equal in every sense except age you'd pick the younger one given the benefits you might get from being longer in the job, might be wrong
to be clear, not campaigning for cane to loose the job, just as likely he'll have a blinder first game up for the AB's and this is never mentioned again
So who's the young gun that's going to be captain?
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@KiwiMurph not arguing when its a pretty clear choice as that was from memory, not a hard and fast rule or anything, just thought a given that if given two options equal in every sense except age you'd pick the younger one given the benefits you might get from being longer in the job, might be wrong
to be clear, not campaigning for cane to loose the job, just as likely he'll have a blinder first game up for the AB's and this is never mentioned again
So who's the young gun that's going to be captain?
@Crucial slow down here, as i say, not starting a petition, was just a comment on how weird it is having a captain announced so long before a game has been played
it wasn't so much about a young captain, i was talking about younger guys that have stuck their hand up for the 7 jersey
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@Crucial slow down here, as i say, not starting a petition, was just a comment on how weird it is having a captain announced so long before a game has been played
it wasn't so much about a young captain, i was talking about younger guys that have stuck their hand up for the 7 jersey
@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Crucial slow down here, as i say, not starting a petition, was just a comment on how weird it is having a captain announced so long before a game has been played
it wasn't so much about a young captain, i was talking about younger guys that have stuck their hand up for the 7 jersey
Ok sorry. Didn't realise that your confusion was causing brain scrambles
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@Crucial slow down here, as i say, not starting a petition, was just a comment on how weird it is having a captain announced so long before a game has been played
it wasn't so much about a young captain, i was talking about younger guys that have stuck their hand up for the 7 jersey
@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
i was talking about younger guys that have stuck their hand up for the 7 jersey
Who have they been? I wouldn't select Kirifi, Dalton, Christie or Hunt of Cane. None of them are close. Gibson is always broken. It's really just down to Ardie and Sam. I prefer to start a test match with Sam and bring on Ardie for impact.
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
i was talking about younger guys that have stuck their hand up for the 7 jersey
Who have they been? I wouldn't select Kirifi, Dalton, Christie or Hunt of Cane. None of them are close. Gibson is always broken. It's really just down to Ardie and Sam. I prefer to start a test match with Sam and bring on Ardie for impact.
@Nepia 100% percent admit im bias but id give Hunt a go, he's been epic, i know its subjective but pretty common pick in "team of the week" type articles suggest he's in a rich vein of form
thats putting the captaincy aside of course, taking that into consideration it obviously becomes a more one sided discussion
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@Nepia 100% percent admit im bias but id give Hunt a go, he's been epic, i know its subjective but pretty common pick in "team of the week" type articles suggest he's in a rich vein of form
thats putting the captaincy aside of course, taking that into consideration it obviously becomes a more one sided discussion
@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Nepia 100% percent admit im bias but id give Hunt a go, he's been epic, i know its subjective but pretty common pick in "team of the week" type articles suggest he's in a rich vein of form
thats putting the captaincy aside of course, taking that into consideration it obviously becomes a more one sided discussion
I like Hunt, he's come back well this year after seemingly falling off the charts in recent years but can't see him surpassing Cane.
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Nepia 100% percent admit im bias but id give Hunt a go, he's been epic, i know its subjective but pretty common pick in "team of the week" type articles suggest he's in a rich vein of form
thats putting the captaincy aside of course, taking that into consideration it obviously becomes a more one sided discussion
I like Hunt, he's come back well this year after seemingly falling off the charts in recent years but can't see him surpassing Cane.
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@Nepia ironically i think he suffered a similar situation at the landers, Lentjes was tagged as captain and so got the 7 jersey, i never felt his form really dropped much
@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Nepia ironically i think he suffered a similar situation at the landers, Lentjes was tagged as captain and so got the 7 jersey, i never felt his form really dropped much
Lentjes was selected ahead of him before being selected captain and proved he wasn't at the same standard as Hunt...then he got made captain.
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@Kiwiwomble said in AB Captain:
@Nepia ironically i think he suffered a similar situation at the landers, Lentjes was tagged as captain and so got the 7 jersey, i never felt his form really dropped much
Lentjes was selected ahead of him before being selected captain and proved he wasn't at the same standard as Hunt...then he got made captain.
@Bones we know that...just keeping it simple for the others
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If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
Taylor likely starter ATM.
Coles not playing the house downLocks.
Whitelock. Currently a starter, but wil he remain so when BBBR returns? and likely (or at least potetially) an 80 minute player. But only a short term option. Won't make 2023.
Paddy T. Starter this year. Potentially 80 minute player. Not locked in to top XV (but could be).
Barrett S. Not locked in to top 23.Looseforwards
Unknown mixHalfbacks
Won't play 8010s
Who starts and who plays 80?Midfield
Potential 80 minute players here. But the mix is unclearWings
Who picks a wing as captain?
And again who is guaranteed to start? Rieko? But is he captaincy material?Fullback
BB has potential to play 80Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
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If not Cane then who?
Props. None play 80.
And who is a guaranteed starter? Moody?
Not even SR captainsHooker. Again will be subbed.
Taylor likely starter ATM.
Coles not playing the house downLocks.
Whitelock. Currently a starter, but wil he remain so when BBBR returns? and likely (or at least potetially) an 80 minute player. But only a short term option. Won't make 2023.
Paddy T. Starter this year. Potentially 80 minute player. Not locked in to top XV (but could be).
Barrett S. Not locked in to top 23.Looseforwards
Unknown mixHalfbacks
Won't play 8010s
Who starts and who plays 80?Midfield
Potential 80 minute players here. But the mix is unclearWings
Who picks a wing as captain?
And again who is guaranteed to start? Rieko? But is he captaincy material?Fullback
BB has potential to play 80Our criteria reading the thread seems to be:
- Must start
- Must play 80
Reading my comments above no player does that any more. I think we need to adjust expectations. How about "Must be guaranteed in top XXIII"? May start, may come off the bench and we will have multiple players capable of calling the shots that we'll call on as required.
