Black Caps v Pakistan
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I quite like the commentary team. I like the analysis they're doing. Good to hear from an NZ perspective because I reckon it's been missing in the past. I would have liked it when I was young and taking my cricket seriously.
Same here. I like Craig too as a comms guy. Just feel he is having a out of sorts day today.
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Not sure if anyone watched the lunch break, but they had a question and answer thingy with Fleming and McMillan. Someone asked Fleming what is the one thing he would have liked to have known prior to playing test cricket. His answer was he wished he had learnt how to convert 50s into 100s.
Both he and McMillan pointed out that they were able to progress through the ranks without being taught to score 100s. 70s and 80s were enough. It's good to see there is an awareness of this in NZ cricket now. I grew up playing with and against these guys and it always bothered me that they were never held to account when when they got out at bad times. I witnessed a number of those middling scores from both of them, and others, and nobody got up them for it. Compare that to rugby where the young hotshots were brought back down to earth if they did something stupid on the field.
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Mitchell’s technique looks pretty sound.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Mitchell’s technique looks pretty sound.
Pretty decent batting average for our back up allrounder - currently 49.67.
Only a small sample size, but still...
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@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I quite like the commentary team. I like the analysis they're doing. Good to hear from an NZ perspective because I reckon it's been missing in the past. I would have liked it when I was young and taking my cricket seriously.
Same here. I like Craig too as a comms guy. Just feel he is having a out of sorts day today.
I’m not a huge fan of Gladiator’s work in the commentary. I reckon he criticises too much. I don’t mind critical analysis and things being called out when appropriate, but he tends to heap on.
Fleming and Baz are very good.
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@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
500 up, lead is past 200.
I don't buy the "nobody showed us how to convert 50s to 100s", sounds like poppycock to me. Cricketers are very stats-obsessed, no way were they especially satisfied with 70s and 80s.
It would be a weird thing to lie about?
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@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
500 up, lead is past 200.
I don't buy the "nobody showed us how to convert 50s to 100s", sounds like poppycock to me. Cricketers are very stats-obsessed, no way were they especially satisfied with 70s and 80s.
Sorry mate, but it ain't poppycock. I witnessed it first hand.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
500 up, lead is past 200.
I don't buy the "nobody showed us how to convert 50s to 100s", sounds like poppycock to me. Cricketers are very stats-obsessed, no way were they especially satisfied with 70s and 80s.
Sorry mate, but it ain't poppycock. I witnessed it first hand.
I believe they said it, I just don't think it deserves to be a thing. The Black Caps before them all knew the value of centuries and crease occupation, and his conversion rate is one of the reasons Crowe is so revered (17 centuries, 18 50s).
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@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
500 up, lead is past 200.
I don't buy the "nobody showed us how to convert 50s to 100s", sounds like poppycock to me. Cricketers are very stats-obsessed, no way were they especially satisfied with 70s and 80s.
Sorry mate, but it ain't poppycock. I witnessed it first hand.
I believe they said it, I just don't think it deserves to be a thing. The Black Caps before them all knew the value of centuries and crease occupation, and his conversion rate is one of the reasons Crowe is so revered (17 centuries, 18 50s).
I think they are referring to the coaching/guidance they got coming up through the grades. That is what I witnessed first hand. Not just talking about the elite coaching, but also including club and school coaching. Game management wasn't something that they were held accountable for back then, especially as they were coming through. It is something they had to learn at a higher level.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
500 up, lead is past 200.
I don't buy the "nobody showed us how to convert 50s to 100s", sounds like poppycock to me. Cricketers are very stats-obsessed, no way were they especially satisfied with 70s and 80s.
Sorry mate, but it ain't poppycock. I witnessed it first hand.
I believe they said it, I just don't think it deserves to be a thing. The Black Caps before them all knew the value of centuries and crease occupation, and his conversion rate is one of the reasons Crowe is so revered (17 centuries, 18 50s).
I think they are referring to the coaching/guidance they got coming up through the grades. That is what I witnessed first hand. Not just talking about the elite coaching, but also including club and school coaching. Game management wasn't something that they were held accountable for back then, especially as they were coming through. It is something they had to learn at a higher level.
That makes more sense - Macca's head of cricket at high school was acknowledged as very good (he has just retired, but Steve Garland of Shirley BHS in Chch - other notable alumni were Gary Stead, Nathan Astle and Michael Papps), but I could easily see provincial and youth structures being mostly about skills coaching and conditioning, and not much about tactical and strategic nous.
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@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
What's the go from here? Forecast is no rain tomorrow, but some rain on Thursday (Day 5), so do we just gun it and put them in with a 300 lead? Or just bat sensibly to make the lead impossibly massive?
Have a swing until tea I reckon.
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@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Godder said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
500 up, lead is past 200.
I don't buy the "nobody showed us how to convert 50s to 100s", sounds like poppycock to me. Cricketers are very stats-obsessed, no way were they especially satisfied with 70s and 80s.
Sorry mate, but it ain't poppycock. I witnessed it first hand.
I believe they said it, I just don't think it deserves to be a thing. The Black Caps before them all knew the value of centuries and crease occupation, and his conversion rate is one of the reasons Crowe is so revered (17 centuries, 18 50s).
I remember Crowe's footwork being amazing, and he played in an era of great fast bowling
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@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Kane brings up his 4th double tonne, what a champ!
And in typical fashion no big fuss, a couple of waves of the bat then uses it to lean on waiting for the game to resume.
Ice water in the veins...
This must be terribly morale-sapping for the Pakistanis, get what looks like a competitive score on day 1, have the BCs at 71/3, then the BCs put on 150 and 200 and now the game is basically gone.
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@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
I'd love to know watling's average when he comes in with less than 150 vs more than 300. He's the polar opposite of a flat track bully. Only scores runs in the toughest conditions. Combined that with being a super reliable keeper and he's low key one of the most important players in the team.
I called it early. He only succeeds in a crisis.
