Black Caps v Pakistan
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@Snowy Yeah - I had a quick flick through the global stats on Cricinfo, but neither of these made the lists - so I reverted to the NZ stats.
But, I suspect you're right - with a couple of caveats.
Picking up 10 wicket bags - it helps if the other bowlers in your team aren't much chop. Or if you're a lone spinner on spinning decks.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283370.html
Getting 10 as a seamer in a decent attack probably doesn't happen often. Note McGrath compared to Warnie.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/230344.html
Quite a few other caveats as well. Location / pitch, weather, match situation. How hard is a batsman pushing to get to 200? Does the bowler have enough runs already banked to get an attacking field? Etc, etc.
Your first caveat - Murali got heaps of 10w didn't he? Herath a few as well I think. So yes.
The second makes KJ's achievement even better, we have two other class bowlers in that side who also get the new ball ahead of him (which I agree with, for now, but is another discussion).
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Looks like there are 445 instances of bowlers getting 10 in a match and 385 instances of batsmen getting over 200 (including triples and Lara's quad).
So 10fers slightly more common. I don'thave time to dig much further now but would be interested to see that over time. My hunch is that 10fers have become less common and doubles more common. Murali has 5% of all 10fers, and Warne another 2% though so that might not be the case.
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Looks like there are 445 instances of bowlers getting 10 in a match and 385 instances of batsmen getting over 200 (including triples and Lara's quad).
So 10fers slightly more common. I don'thave time to dig much further now but would be interested to see that over time. My hunch is that 10fers have become less common and doubles more common. Murali has 5% of all 10fers, and Warne another 2% though so that might not be the case.
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Looks like there are 445 instances of bowlers getting 10 in a match and 385 instances of batsmen getting over 200 (including triples and Lara's quad).
So 10fers slightly more common. I don'thave time to dig much further now but would be interested to see that over time. My hunch is that 10fers have become less common and doubles more common. Murali has 5% of all 10fers, and Warne another 2% though so that might not be the case.
Wrong again. I'm on a roll!!
Cheers for the research
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Looks like there are 445 instances of bowlers getting 10 in a match and 385 instances of batsmen getting over 200 (including triples and Lara's quad).
So 10fers slightly more common. I don'thave time to dig much further now but would be interested to see that over time. My hunch is that 10fers have become less common and doubles more common. Murali has 5% of all 10fers, and Warne another 2% though so that might not be the case.
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Looks like there are 445 instances of bowlers getting 10 in a match and 385 instances of batsmen getting over 200 (including triples and Lara's quad).
So 10fers slightly more common. I don'thave time to dig much further now but would be interested to see that over time. My hunch is that 10fers have become less common and doubles more common. Murali has 5% of all 10fers, and Warne another 2% though so that might not be the case.
In the TV commentary yesterday. They mentioned the NZ stats. I cant remember the exact number, but we had 2 more double hundreds than 10-fers.
Something like 36 to 34, or 26 to 24.
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Looks like there are 445 instances of bowlers getting 10 in a match and 385 instances of batsmen getting over 200 (including triples and Lara's quad).
So 10fers slightly more common. I don'thave time to dig much further now but would be interested to see that over time. My hunch is that 10fers have become less common and doubles more common. Murali has 5% of all 10fers, and Warne another 2% though so that might not be the case.
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
would be interested to see that over time. My hunch is that 10fers have become less common and doubles more common. Murali has 5% of all 10fers, and Warne another 2% though so that might not be the case.
I don't really count anything Murali did. Just my opinion on his action, but it would even out the numbers quite a bit.
Definitely be interesting over time as bats got better, pitches don't deteriorate as much (generally) 200 seems more common.
The 10fer list is seriously dominated by spinners. That's not going to happen in NZ. In fact the only bowler in the top 5 who isn't a spinner is paddles.
So my hunch is that your hunch is correct.
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The other thing to consider is that a double requires one massive effort in a single innings, whereas 10fers (almost always) require sustained excellence over 2 innings.
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The other thing to consider is that a double requires one massive effort in a single innings, whereas 10fers (almost always) require sustained excellence over 2 innings.
Bar two, yes for bowlers (hence the "almost always" I suppose).
Not sure that one of those is harder than the other. A batsman doesn't actually run for a lot of his runs, a bowler gets a good break to put his feet up. Both require some pretty intense concentration and physical effort.
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How many people have a 200 and a 10wb? Gillespie & Kallis? Sobers?
(I don't mean in the same test)
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How many people have a 200 and a 10wb? Gillespie & Kallis? Sobers?
(I don't mean in the same test)
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
How many people have a 200 and a 10wb? Gillespie & Kallis? Sobers?
The list might be smaller than we think. Neither Sobers, Kallis or Gillespie had a 10 wb.
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@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
How many people have a 200 and a 10wb? Gillespie & Kallis? Sobers?
The list might be smaller than we think. Neither Sobers, Kallis or Gillespie had a 10 wb.
@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
How many people have a 200 and a 10wb? Gillespie & Kallis? Sobers?
The list might be smaller than we think. Neither Sobers, Kallis or Gillespie had a 10 wb.
Wow!
Astle?
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@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
How many people have a 200 and a 10wb? Gillespie & Kallis? Sobers?
The list might be smaller than we think. Neither Sobers, Kallis or Gillespie had a 10 wb.
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@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Well work today is going to suck without the cricket commentary in the background!
Doesn't the Aussie v India test start today at the SCG?
You're probably right, but yea, nah.
I'll probably check in on the score from time to time, but that's about the limit of my interest in games that the BC's aren't playing.I love Aussie cricket. It filled a hole between the 80's and the Hesson/McCullum era
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Gunner said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Well work today is going to suck without the cricket commentary in the background!
Doesn't the Aussie v India test start today at the SCG?
You're probably right, but yea, nah.
I'll probably check in on the score from time to time, but that's about the limit of my interest in games that the BC's aren't playing.I love Aussie cricket. It filled a hole between the 80's and the Hesson/McCullum era
I quite like this India team. Bumrah is a gun and Ashwin is a master tactician with the ball.
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
How many people have a 200 and a 10wb? Gillespie & Kallis? Sobers?
The list might be smaller than we think. Neither Sobers, Kallis or Gillespie had a 10 wb.
Wow!
Astle?
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo Sadly, Nathan was restricted from bowling too many of his dangerous medium pacers.
@Snowy There could be others but none of usual suspects for all-rounders accomplished this feat.
Shakib Al Hasan
https://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56143.html
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@Bovidae said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Hooroo Sadly, Nathan was restricted from bowling too many of his dangerous medium pacers.
@Snowy There could be others but none of usual suspects for all-rounders accomplished this feat.
Shakib Al Hasan
https://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56143.html
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@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Wasim Akram is in the 200/10 club too
Jason Holder does, Stokes doesn't but might get a 10fer yet.
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
Wasim Akram is in the 200/10 club too
Jason Holder does, Stokes doesn't but might get a 10fer yet.
Snap.
