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  • TimT Tim

    Who do you guys think MacDonald will select for the first game? I wonder if a few ABs will start from the bench? I'm assuming that Niuia, Vikena, Hunt, Faiane, and Narawa will be unavailable. Probably Gibson too.

    Big calls at 12 and lock. I'll guess this XXIII:

    1 Hodgman
    2 Eklund
    3 Laulala
    4 Tuipulotu
    5 Goodhue
    6 Ioane
    7 Papalii
    8 Sotutu
    9 Christie
    10 Black
    11 Clarke
    12 Plummer
    13 Ioane
    14 Telea
    15 Perofeta

    16 Tolai
    17 Karl T
    18 Ofa T
    19 Cowley-Tuioti
    20 Choat
    21 Nock
    22 Tele'a
    23 Sullivan/Lam

    Not sure all the ABs will be selected in round one, especially the loose forwards and maybe one of the props. Would like to see Ofa T start, as the Blues are his team. Akira Ioane or Sotutu to be subbed and the other two loose forwards to stay on the field. Hunt could've been handy as a turnover option in the early rounds. I'd prefer to have Nock and Pierce starting. Hope Plummer has improved his defence at 12!

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    @Tim

    Looks about right

    I think Sullivan might start at 15 though. MacDonald has made some very positive comments about him.

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    • TimT Tim

      Who do you guys think MacDonald will select for the first game? I wonder if a few ABs will start from the bench? I'm assuming that Niuia, Vikena, Hunt, Faiane, and Narawa will be unavailable. Probably Gibson too.

      Big calls at 12 and lock. I'll guess this XXIII:

      1 Hodgman
      2 Eklund
      3 Laulala
      4 Tuipulotu
      5 Goodhue
      6 Ioane
      7 Papalii
      8 Sotutu
      9 Christie
      10 Black
      11 Clarke
      12 Plummer
      13 Ioane
      14 Telea
      15 Perofeta

      16 Tolai
      17 Karl T
      18 Ofa T
      19 Cowley-Tuioti
      20 Choat
      21 Nock
      22 Tele'a
      23 Sullivan/Lam

      Not sure all the ABs will be selected in round one, especially the loose forwards and maybe one of the props. Would like to see Ofa T start, as the Blues are his team. Akira Ioane or Sotutu to be subbed and the other two loose forwards to stay on the field. Hunt could've been handy as a turnover option in the early rounds. I'd prefer to have Nock and Pierce starting. Hope Plummer has improved his defence at 12!

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      #483

      @Tim said in Blues 2021:

      Hunt could've been handy as a turnover option in the early rounds

      Is he injured? edit. Ok. Seen a comment on this

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        If the Blues don't play a preseason game will Ofa's ban then include the first SRA game? The 3-week suspension included the last 2 AB games and any rugby up until and including February 20. So he wouldn't have been able to play against the Crusaders this Sat.

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          If the Blues don't play a preseason game will Ofa's ban then include the first SRA game? The 3-week suspension included the last 2 AB games and any rugby up until and including February 20. So he wouldn't have been able to play against the Crusaders this Sat.

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          @Bovidae What about the game of three halves?

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          • TimT Tim

            @Bovidae What about the game of three halves?

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            @Tim said in Blues 2021:

            @Bovidae What about the game of three halves?

            The ABs weren't available for games last Fri/Sat so I doubt that counted.

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            • BovidaeB Bovidae

              If the Blues don't play a preseason game will Ofa's ban then include the first SRA game? The 3-week suspension included the last 2 AB games and any rugby up until and including February 20. So he wouldn't have been able to play against the Crusaders this Sat.

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              @Bovidae Good question. The judicial decison worded the suspension as follows:

              The player is therefore suspended for 3 weeks, up to and including Saturday 20 February 2021. This sanction includes the Player's next three scheduled matches as presented.”

              What prevails, the period of the ban (up to and including 20 February) or the number of matches (3)? You could argue that he was available for the preseason game against the Crusaders, which was a scheduled game, which has been cancelled/postponed due to circumstances beyond his control, and that therefore that game should count as his third match anyway.

              I think the period of the ban will prevail, just using common sense in this time of pandemic, and that he'll be allowed to play the Blues' first SRA game.

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                I actually think Ofa would miss week 1 in that scenario.

                Swinton is out week 1 for Tahs because they had one preseason game cancelled that he wasn't able to count towards his ban.

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                • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                  I actually think Ofa would miss week 1 in that scenario.

                  Swinton is out week 1 for Tahs because they had one preseason game cancelled that he wasn't able to count towards his ban.

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                  @KiwiMurph Would he have been available for the first preseason game?

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                  • StargazerS Stargazer

                    @KiwiMurph Would he have been available for the first preseason game?

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                    @Stargazer The 1 Tah preseason game did play did count towards Swinton's ban but he had an extra week ban (4) compared to Ofa (3).

                    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/waratahs-stars-under-injury-clouds-as-brumbies-lose-wright-for-six-rounds-20210207-p570ag.html

                    Swinton was shown a red card on his Test debut against the All Blacks last year and subsequently received a four-week ban.
                    
                    Coach Rob Penney confirmed Swinton is “no chance” of taking on the Reds, but he can consider himself a tad unlucky. Had the Waratahs not been forced to cancel their January 30 trial against the Brumbies, Swinton’s four match ban would have elapsed by round one.
                    
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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                      @Stargazer The 1 Tah preseason game did play did count towards Swinton's ban but he had an extra week ban (4) compared to Ofa (3).

                      https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/waratahs-stars-under-injury-clouds-as-brumbies-lose-wright-for-six-rounds-20210207-p570ag.html

                      Swinton was shown a red card on his Test debut against the All Blacks last year and subsequently received a four-week ban.
                      
                      Coach Rob Penney confirmed Swinton is “no chance” of taking on the Reds, but he can consider himself a tad unlucky. Had the Waratahs not been forced to cancel their January 30 trial against the Brumbies, Swinton’s four match ban would have elapsed by round one.
                      
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                      @KiwiMurph Yeah, that's why I'm asking whether he'd have been available for the first preseason game that was cancelled. If he wasn't available, then he would still have a 4th game to sit out regardless of the cancellation.

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                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                        @KiwiMurph Yeah, that's why I'm asking whether he'd have been available for the first preseason game that was cancelled. If he wasn't available, then he would still have a 4th game to sit out regardless of the cancellation.

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                        @Stargazer Yes. See the article above.

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                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                          @Stargazer Yes. See the article above.

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                          @KiwiMurph Ha, you're too quick. I was just editing my reply haha.

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                          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                            @Stargazer The 1 Tah preseason game did play did count towards Swinton's ban but he had an extra week ban (4) compared to Ofa (3).

                            https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/waratahs-stars-under-injury-clouds-as-brumbies-lose-wright-for-six-rounds-20210207-p570ag.html

                            Swinton was shown a red card on his Test debut against the All Blacks last year and subsequently received a four-week ban.
                            
                            Coach Rob Penney confirmed Swinton is “no chance” of taking on the Reds, but he can consider himself a tad unlucky. Had the Waratahs not been forced to cancel their January 30 trial against the Brumbies, Swinton’s four match ban would have elapsed by round one.
                            
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                            @KiwiMurph I also just noticed in Swinton's judicial decision that his ban ended before Ofa's:

                            The player is therefore suspended for 4 weeks, up to and including Saturday 6 February 2021.
                            
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                            • StargazerS Stargazer

                              @KiwiMurph I also just noticed in Swinton's judicial decision that his ban ended before Ofa's:

                              The player is therefore suspended for 4 weeks, up to and including Saturday 6 February 2021.
                              
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                              @Stargazer said in Blues 2021:

                              @KiwiMurph I also just noticed in Swinton's judicial decision that his ban ended before Ofa's:

                              The player is therefore suspended for 4 weeks, up to and including Saturday 6 February 2021.
                              

                              Yeah that ban was handed out prior to the Super AU schedule being finalised so I wouldn't read into that date.

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                              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                @Stargazer said in Blues 2021:

                                @KiwiMurph I also just noticed in Swinton's judicial decision that his ban ended before Ofa's:

                                The player is therefore suspended for 4 weeks, up to and including Saturday 6 February 2021.
                                

                                Yeah that ban was handed out prior to the Super AU schedule being finalised so I wouldn't read into that date.

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                                @KiwiMurph It would have included all 4 matches he'd have to miss though. 2 Tri Nations and 2 preseason.

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                                • StargazerS Stargazer

                                  @KiwiMurph It would have included all 4 matches he'd have to miss though. 2 Tri Nations and 2 preseason.

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                                  KiwiMurph
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                                  True. The date becomes useless in a situation like this though - as the 4 matches is the key part, not the date.

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                                      #499

                                      I am assuming this is the final roster spot that was never filled?

                                      He played under Leon at Ta$man.

                                      A bit of a strange one to be honest.

                                      https://mobile.twitter.com/BluesRugbyTeam/status/1361757113249267712

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                                        Bovidae
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                                        So no need for a midfielder now?

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                                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                          So no need for a midfielder now?

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                                          #501

                                          @Bovidae

                                          Heem can play 13.

                                          Confirmed taking the spot of what would have been Chocobares.

                                          Heem will take the place of Argentine player Santiago Chocobares with the club and player unable to conclude all necessary arrangements in time for the start of the season.
                                          

                                          https://blues.rugby/former-new-zealand-sevens-star-returns-home/

                                          There is also this

                                          His arrival balances the first significant injury with midfielder Jone Macilai out for the season after fracturing his radius during the weekend’s Game of 3 Halves in Wellington.
                                          
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