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    Nogusta
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    #475

    Blues vs Canes

    Sullivan
    Kneepkens
    Grindlay
    T. Tele'a
    Lam
    Black
    Christie
    Rush
    Choat
    Plumtree
    Cowley Tuioti
    Darry
    Renata
    Eklund
    McElroy

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      #476

      Blues vs Chiefs

      Kneepkens
      Macilai
      Fomai
      Plummer
      M. Telea
      Perofeta
      Nock
      Rush
      Jones
      Plumtree
      Pierce
      Goodhue
      Fepuleai
      Tolai
      Lay

      Those were the starting lineups

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        #477

        No AB's obviously. Interesting that they left out the next tier of loosies too. No Robinson, Hunt, Gibson

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          Saw Hos, Akira, Rieko and Dalton down at the Weetbix Try this morning. They looked fit ... NZZP Jnr got selfies with them and declared himself happy 🙂

          I'm excited about the Blues this year. Again. I can't help myself

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          • DuluthD Duluth

            No AB's obviously. Interesting that they left out the next tier of loosies too. No Robinson, Hunt, Gibson

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            #479

            @Duluth not sure about Gibson but Robinson was a late scratching, and Hunt hasn't been sighted at all during pre season. Head knock issues maybe?
            Also Narawa out for a cpl of weeks with broken finger

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              #480

              Who do you guys think MacDonald will select for the first game? I wonder if a few ABs will start from the bench? I'm assuming that Niuia, Vikena, Hunt, Faiane, and Narawa will be unavailable. Probably Gibson too.

              Big calls at 12 and lock. I'll guess this XXIII:

              1 Hodgman
              2 Eklund
              3 Laulala
              4 Tuipulotu
              5 Goodhue
              6 Ioane
              7 Papalii
              8 Sotutu
              9 Christie
              10 Black
              11 Clarke
              12 Plummer
              13 Ioane
              14 Telea
              15 Perofeta

              16 Tolai
              17 Karl T
              18 Ofa T
              19 Cowley-Tuioti
              20 Choat
              21 Nock
              22 Tele'a
              23 Sullivan/Lam

              Not sure all the ABs will be selected in round one, especially the loose forwards and maybe one of the props. Would like to see Ofa T start, as the Blues are his team. Akira Ioane or Sotutu to be subbed and the other two loose forwards to stay on the field. Hunt could've been handy as a turnover option in the early rounds. I'd prefer to have Nock and Pierce starting. Hope Plummer has improved his defence at 12!

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                I think that's a pretty good prediction.

                Midfield is a big issue until Faiane returns. Laumape-PUJ combo will back themselves to cause havoc week 1.

                I'd rather see Nock start at 9 but no doubt Christie will get first crack.

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                • TimT Tim

                  Who do you guys think MacDonald will select for the first game? I wonder if a few ABs will start from the bench? I'm assuming that Niuia, Vikena, Hunt, Faiane, and Narawa will be unavailable. Probably Gibson too.

                  Big calls at 12 and lock. I'll guess this XXIII:

                  1 Hodgman
                  2 Eklund
                  3 Laulala
                  4 Tuipulotu
                  5 Goodhue
                  6 Ioane
                  7 Papalii
                  8 Sotutu
                  9 Christie
                  10 Black
                  11 Clarke
                  12 Plummer
                  13 Ioane
                  14 Telea
                  15 Perofeta

                  16 Tolai
                  17 Karl T
                  18 Ofa T
                  19 Cowley-Tuioti
                  20 Choat
                  21 Nock
                  22 Tele'a
                  23 Sullivan/Lam

                  Not sure all the ABs will be selected in round one, especially the loose forwards and maybe one of the props. Would like to see Ofa T start, as the Blues are his team. Akira Ioane or Sotutu to be subbed and the other two loose forwards to stay on the field. Hunt could've been handy as a turnover option in the early rounds. I'd prefer to have Nock and Pierce starting. Hope Plummer has improved his defence at 12!

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                  @Tim

                  Looks about right

                  I think Sullivan might start at 15 though. MacDonald has made some very positive comments about him.

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                  • TimT Tim

                    Who do you guys think MacDonald will select for the first game? I wonder if a few ABs will start from the bench? I'm assuming that Niuia, Vikena, Hunt, Faiane, and Narawa will be unavailable. Probably Gibson too.

                    Big calls at 12 and lock. I'll guess this XXIII:

                    1 Hodgman
                    2 Eklund
                    3 Laulala
                    4 Tuipulotu
                    5 Goodhue
                    6 Ioane
                    7 Papalii
                    8 Sotutu
                    9 Christie
                    10 Black
                    11 Clarke
                    12 Plummer
                    13 Ioane
                    14 Telea
                    15 Perofeta

                    16 Tolai
                    17 Karl T
                    18 Ofa T
                    19 Cowley-Tuioti
                    20 Choat
                    21 Nock
                    22 Tele'a
                    23 Sullivan/Lam

                    Not sure all the ABs will be selected in round one, especially the loose forwards and maybe one of the props. Would like to see Ofa T start, as the Blues are his team. Akira Ioane or Sotutu to be subbed and the other two loose forwards to stay on the field. Hunt could've been handy as a turnover option in the early rounds. I'd prefer to have Nock and Pierce starting. Hope Plummer has improved his defence at 12!

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                    Winger
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                    #483

                    @Tim said in Blues 2021:

                    Hunt could've been handy as a turnover option in the early rounds

                    Is he injured? edit. Ok. Seen a comment on this

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                      #484

                      If the Blues don't play a preseason game will Ofa's ban then include the first SRA game? The 3-week suspension included the last 2 AB games and any rugby up until and including February 20. So he wouldn't have been able to play against the Crusaders this Sat.

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                      • BovidaeB Bovidae

                        If the Blues don't play a preseason game will Ofa's ban then include the first SRA game? The 3-week suspension included the last 2 AB games and any rugby up until and including February 20. So he wouldn't have been able to play against the Crusaders this Sat.

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                        #485

                        @Bovidae What about the game of three halves?

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                        • TimT Tim

                          @Bovidae What about the game of three halves?

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                          Bovidae
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                          @Tim said in Blues 2021:

                          @Bovidae What about the game of three halves?

                          The ABs weren't available for games last Fri/Sat so I doubt that counted.

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                          • BovidaeB Bovidae

                            If the Blues don't play a preseason game will Ofa's ban then include the first SRA game? The 3-week suspension included the last 2 AB games and any rugby up until and including February 20. So he wouldn't have been able to play against the Crusaders this Sat.

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                            #487

                            @Bovidae Good question. The judicial decison worded the suspension as follows:

                            The player is therefore suspended for 3 weeks, up to and including Saturday 20 February 2021. This sanction includes the Player's next three scheduled matches as presented.”

                            What prevails, the period of the ban (up to and including 20 February) or the number of matches (3)? You could argue that he was available for the preseason game against the Crusaders, which was a scheduled game, which has been cancelled/postponed due to circumstances beyond his control, and that therefore that game should count as his third match anyway.

                            I think the period of the ban will prevail, just using common sense in this time of pandemic, and that he'll be allowed to play the Blues' first SRA game.

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                              KiwiMurph
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                              I actually think Ofa would miss week 1 in that scenario.

                              Swinton is out week 1 for Tahs because they had one preseason game cancelled that he wasn't able to count towards his ban.

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                              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                I actually think Ofa would miss week 1 in that scenario.

                                Swinton is out week 1 for Tahs because they had one preseason game cancelled that he wasn't able to count towards his ban.

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                                #489

                                @KiwiMurph Would he have been available for the first preseason game?

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                                  @KiwiMurph Would he have been available for the first preseason game?

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                                  @Stargazer The 1 Tah preseason game did play did count towards Swinton's ban but he had an extra week ban (4) compared to Ofa (3).

                                  https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/waratahs-stars-under-injury-clouds-as-brumbies-lose-wright-for-six-rounds-20210207-p570ag.html

                                  Swinton was shown a red card on his Test debut against the All Blacks last year and subsequently received a four-week ban.
                                  
                                  Coach Rob Penney confirmed Swinton is “no chance” of taking on the Reds, but he can consider himself a tad unlucky. Had the Waratahs not been forced to cancel their January 30 trial against the Brumbies, Swinton’s four match ban would have elapsed by round one.
                                  
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                                    @Stargazer The 1 Tah preseason game did play did count towards Swinton's ban but he had an extra week ban (4) compared to Ofa (3).

                                    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/waratahs-stars-under-injury-clouds-as-brumbies-lose-wright-for-six-rounds-20210207-p570ag.html

                                    Swinton was shown a red card on his Test debut against the All Blacks last year and subsequently received a four-week ban.
                                    
                                    Coach Rob Penney confirmed Swinton is “no chance” of taking on the Reds, but he can consider himself a tad unlucky. Had the Waratahs not been forced to cancel their January 30 trial against the Brumbies, Swinton’s four match ban would have elapsed by round one.
                                    
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                                    @KiwiMurph Yeah, that's why I'm asking whether he'd have been available for the first preseason game that was cancelled. If he wasn't available, then he would still have a 4th game to sit out regardless of the cancellation.

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                                      @KiwiMurph Yeah, that's why I'm asking whether he'd have been available for the first preseason game that was cancelled. If he wasn't available, then he would still have a 4th game to sit out regardless of the cancellation.

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                                      @Stargazer Yes. See the article above.

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                                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                        @Stargazer Yes. See the article above.

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                                        @KiwiMurph Ha, you're too quick. I was just editing my reply haha.

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                                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                          @Stargazer The 1 Tah preseason game did play did count towards Swinton's ban but he had an extra week ban (4) compared to Ofa (3).

                                          https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/waratahs-stars-under-injury-clouds-as-brumbies-lose-wright-for-six-rounds-20210207-p570ag.html

                                          Swinton was shown a red card on his Test debut against the All Blacks last year and subsequently received a four-week ban.
                                          
                                          Coach Rob Penney confirmed Swinton is “no chance” of taking on the Reds, but he can consider himself a tad unlucky. Had the Waratahs not been forced to cancel their January 30 trial against the Brumbies, Swinton’s four match ban would have elapsed by round one.
                                          
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                                          @KiwiMurph I also just noticed in Swinton's judicial decision that his ban ended before Ofa's:

                                          The player is therefore suspended for 4 weeks, up to and including Saturday 6 February 2021.
                                          
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