Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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We did well to get 26. The pitch was a minefield, the English doctored it, they would have been lucky to get 10. Even Extras got a duck FFS.
That's all I've got. I had some straws a minute ago, somewhere.
@snowy I know you jest and the 26 does irk me as week but we have had way more abject batting performances.
We can all fap away about the current side but their performances on the last tour of Oz were way more disappointing than a bunch of amateurs caught on a sticky wicket against a good England side. Three of the current side were in the team that gave a heartless display in reaching 45 at Cape Town in 2012.
So yeah I want the monkey of 26 off my back(thought England were going to do it a couple of years back) but I have seen much worse batting performances from NZ unfortunately.
Trivia that actually is a bit of a straw to clutch. NZ has the lowest test innings but its not the lowest collective batting performance in a completed innings. In 1924 Sth Africa got to 30 against England but extra's was11. So their eleven batsmen only managed 19in total with no one making double figures. A pyrrhic victory to us!
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@snowy I know you jest and the 26 does irk me as week but we have had way more abject batting performances.
We can all fap away about the current side but their performances on the last tour of Oz were way more disappointing than a bunch of amateurs caught on a sticky wicket against a good England side. Three of the current side were in the team that gave a heartless display in reaching 45 at Cape Town in 2012.
So yeah I want the monkey of 26 off my back(thought England were going to do it a couple of years back) but I have seen much worse batting performances from NZ unfortunately.
Trivia that actually is a bit of a straw to clutch. NZ has the lowest test innings but its not the lowest collective batting performance in a completed innings. In 1924 Sth Africa got to 30 against England but extra's was11. So their eleven batsmen only managed 19in total with no one making double figures. A pyrrhic victory to us!
@dogmeat said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy I know you jest and the 26 does irk me as week but we have had way more abject batting performances.
I jest because it hurts slightly less and it has more than irked me for a lot longer than a week.
I would suggest that we don't delve into great NZ cricket batting failures any further - this will be a really long (and depressing) thread. I will take the small victory there though, thankyou. I have mentioned extras earlier, trust him to show when he wasn't wanted.
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@snowy I know you jest and the 26 does irk me as week but we have had way more abject batting performances.
We can all fap away about the current side but their performances on the last tour of Oz were way more disappointing than a bunch of amateurs caught on a sticky wicket against a good England side. Three of the current side were in the team that gave a heartless display in reaching 45 at Cape Town in 2012.
So yeah I want the monkey of 26 off my back(thought England were going to do it a couple of years back) but I have seen much worse batting performances from NZ unfortunately.
Trivia that actually is a bit of a straw to clutch. NZ has the lowest test innings but its not the lowest collective batting performance in a completed innings. In 1924 Sth Africa got to 30 against England but extra's was11. So their eleven batsmen only managed 19in total with no one making double figures. A pyrrhic victory to us!
@dogmeat https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-south-africa-2011-12-514013/south-africa-vs-australia-1st-test-514029/full-scorecard
This one offered massive hope.
Oz was 9 down for 21 where we went 9 down for 26 - another pyrrhic victory!
@MN5 - none of those guys are alive. John Reid and Matt Poore both died last year and they were the last.
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I was of the impression that our IPL contingent may not be available for the first test against England? Which would then provide an opportunity to play Conway in Kane's place and all sorts of experimentation with the bowlers, and then effectively pick the team for the WTC final to play together in the second test against England...??
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@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005."@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005."Fucking hell, the fact that a player like Vincent holds that record just really highlights again how absolutely ludicrous it was to decide a match on boundaries scored. I will be triggered for the rest of my life over that, and I'll make sure my bitterness lives on in my sons when I'm gone.
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@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005."Fucking hell, the fact that a player like Vincent holds that record just really highlights again how absolutely ludicrous it was to decide a match on boundaries scored. I will be triggered for the rest of my life over that, and I'll make sure my bitterness lives on in my sons when I'm gone.
@no-quarter said in Black Caps tour to England:
I'll make sure my bitterness lives on in my sons when I'm gone.
That's the spirit. You might be a millennial but we can make a GOM out of you yet. I can't listen to The Stranglers anymore because the prick of a lead singer changed the lyrics of Peaches to take the piss about our loss. He did get beer thrown over him though (not be me, I was out of range) because of it, so that was good.
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@no-quarter said in Black Caps tour to England:
I'll make sure my bitterness lives on in my sons when I'm gone.
That's the spirit. You might be a millennial but we can make a GOM out of you yet. I can't listen to The Stranglers anymore because the prick of a lead singer changed the lyrics of Peaches to take the piss about our loss. He did get beer thrown over him though (not be me, I was out of range) because of it, so that was good.
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@no-quarter said in Black Caps tour to England:
I'll make sure my bitterness lives on in my sons when I'm gone.
That's the spirit. You might be a millennial but we can make a GOM out of you yet. I can't listen to The Stranglers anymore because the prick of a lead singer changed the lyrics of Peaches to take the piss about our loss. He did get beer thrown over him though (not be me, I was out of range) because of it, so that was good.
One of the first songs I learnt on bass. What a tune
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@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b Conway is good enough, it's pretty obvious when you watch him he is a more talented bat than Blundell. Experience might be the problem at this stage.
He's also better than Nicholls IMHO. There will probably be room for all of them when Rosco retires
He appears to be.
You just have to be wary of Graeme Hick syndrome.
Yeah he certainly didn’t have the career that was expected of him, debuting alongside Graham Gooch, Alec Stewart and Robin Smith who were all far better test players despite not dominating at first class level to the extent Hick did.
I’m just wondering how long we can ride this wave as fans and when/if the next generation of Hows/Redmonds/Papps/Marshall ( either or )Fultons comes in.......
...and David White's. Let's not forget David White, because I hold him largely responsible for this wave.
Not because he's a gun administrator, but because his administration (along with Spark Sport) is responsible for me not being able to watch it. Presumably, once I can watch again, we'll return to dross.
So let me just say - Fuck you, David.
You would have been doing me a favour if you'd blocked my viewing during your playing era, but rural NZ is missing the equivalent of Sir Paddles' hey day.
Someone has been playing with David's stats on Wikipedia. They're not as good on Cricinfo!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_White_(New_Zealand_cricketer)
Spark sport is what.. $15/month. Lay off the Ta$man bitter and you’d afford it no worries
Edit: that reminds me I need to cancel my subscription now that cricket has finished.
@gunner said in Black Caps tour to England:
Edit: that reminds me I need to cancel my subscription now that cricket has finished.
It was surprisingly easy to suspend my subscription, just one click of a button.
I honest thought it’d be way harder, as most companies don’t like to make it easy for you to quit their services.
Making it easy to pick and choose when I want to be signed up most certainly means I’ll be back.
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@gunner said in Black Caps tour to England:
Edit: that reminds me I need to cancel my subscription now that cricket has finished.
It was surprisingly easy to suspend my subscription, just one click of a button.
I honest thought it’d be way harder, as most companies don’t like to make it easy for you to quit their services.
Making it easy to pick and choose when I want to be signed up most certainly means I’ll be back.
@gunner Cool. Will do that now. It should be just as easy to turn it on again before 2nd June for the England tests.
It's probably been raised before, but they aren't doing the WTC. I think Sky still has rights to all ICC tournaments. All a bit of a mess really.As a side note did anyone notice if Conway got his residency issue sorted? That's NZ residency, not eligibility to play for us obviously. It was going to take 8 months to get it through and won't be allowed back into the country unless he has it.
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@gunner Cool. Will do that now. It should be just as easy to turn it on again before 2nd June for the England tests.
It's probably been raised before, but they aren't doing the WTC. I think Sky still has rights to all ICC tournaments. All a bit of a mess really.As a side note did anyone notice if Conway got his residency issue sorted? That's NZ residency, not eligibility to play for us obviously. It was going to take 8 months to get it through and won't be allowed back into the country unless he has it.
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@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
As a side note did anyone notice if Conway got his residency issue sorted?
Confirmed last week.
@bovidae Cheers.
Wish I knew many years ago that all you needed to do to get residency fast tracked was play for the Black Caps. My wife might have been good enough to make the team at the time too (a reflection on the cricket team not my wife's cricketing ability). -
Colin is sporting a great Billy Ray Cyrus-like mullet.
(Refer to the video in the story below)
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I genuinely wonder how the NZers , and English and Indians, will get out of India and to England. How many options will be available by the time IPL ends?
Where will they have to do quarantine?
Logistical nightmare, some administrators will be earning their money.
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I genuinely wonder how the NZers , and English and Indians, will get out of India and to England. How many options will be available by the time IPL ends?
Where will they have to do quarantine?
Logistical nightmare, some administrators will be earning their money.
@rapido Yeah that was the reason for moving WTC to South Hampton. Has it's own hotel and training grounds so the players can be in their own bubble and still practice. The England matches aren't so easy.
How many IPL players are in our test team apart from Kane, Trent, Kyle, maybe Santner? I haven't been watching it.
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@rapido Yeah that was the reason for moving WTC to South Hampton. Has it's own hotel and training grounds so the players can be in their own bubble and still practice. The England matches aren't so easy.
How many IPL players are in our test team apart from Kane, Trent, Kyle, maybe Santner? I haven't been watching it.
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rapido Yeah that was the reason for moving WTC to South Hampton. Has it's own hotel and training grounds so the players can be in their own bubble and still practice. The England matches aren't so easy.
How many IPL players are in our test team apart from Kane, Trent, Kyle, maybe Santner? I haven't been watching it.
That made me smile
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@rapido Yeah that was the reason for moving WTC to South Hampton. Has it's own hotel and training grounds so the players can be in their own bubble and still practice. The England matches aren't so easy.
How many IPL players are in our test team apart from Kane, Trent, Kyle, maybe Santner? I haven't been watching it.
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rapido Yeah that was the reason for moving WTC to South Hampton. Has it's own hotel and training grounds so the players can be in their own bubble and still practice. The England matches aren't so easy.
How many IPL players are in our test team apart from Kane, Trent, Kyle, maybe Santner? I haven't been watching it.
Yes, but things have changed since they made those arrangements.
Countries, including UK and NZ, are stopping flights from India, and dis-allowing non-citizens travelling from India even when transiting through 3rd countries.
Airlines, are pausing the flights. UAE stopped flights from India, Qatar still open at the moment.
It can still be done, but, there will be a lot of furious paddling under the water going on at the moment to line this up.
A political exception would have to be made if they do quarantine in UK (at Southampton) and at very least it won't be with rest of squad. It may have to be in a hotel in Doha, while they still can.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56806103
India has been added to a “red list” of countries from which most travel to the UK is banned, over fears of a new Covid variant, the health secretary has said.
From 04:00 BST on Friday 23 April, most people who have travelled from India in the last 10 days will be refused entry.
British or Irish passport holders, or people with UK residence rights, will be allowed in but must quarantine in a government-approved hotel for 10 days.
There's 3 weeks to go to end of round robin, a month to end of finals. Time for things to change, better, worse (or same).
(Jamieson is other NZ test player with IPL contract, Matye CdG as well as fringe player, but I dunno - he's been injured, I also don't watch it).
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From a Stuff article:
New Zealand cricketers and support staff at the Indian Premier League:
Players: Kane Williamson (Sunrisers Hyderabad), Trent Boult, Scott Kuggeleijn, Jimmy Neesham, Adam Milne (Mumbai Indians), Kyle Jamieson, Finn Allen (Royal Challengers Bangalore), Mitchell Santner (Chennai Super Kings), Lockie Ferguson, Tim Seifert (Kolkata Knight Riders).
Staff: Stephen Fleming (CSK head coach), Brendon McCullum (KKR head coach), Mike Hesson (RCB director of cricket), Shane Bond (MI bowling coach), James Pamment (MI fielding coach), Kyle Mills (KKR bowling coach), Chris Donaldson (KKR strength and conditioning) -
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rapido Yeah that was the reason for moving WTC to South Hampton. Has it's own hotel and training grounds so the players can be in their own bubble and still practice. The England matches aren't so easy.
How many IPL players are in our test team apart from Kane, Trent, Kyle, maybe Santner? I haven't been watching it.
That made me smile
@hooroo said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rapido Yeah that was the reason for moving WTC to South Hampton. Has it's own hotel and training grounds so the players can be in their own bubble and still practice. The England matches aren't so easy.
How many IPL players are in our test team apart from Kane, Trent, Kyle, maybe Santner? I haven't been watching it.
That made me smile
South Hampton would be South South Peterborough I think.
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The Chris Lynn solution ....
Australia suspends flights from India; Chris Lynn hopes for post-IPL charter home
"I texted back that as Cricket Australia make 10% of every IPL contract, was there a chance we could spend that money this year on a charter flight once the tournament is over?" Lynn told News Corp media.
When asked specifically about the cricketers in India, Morrison said there would not be any preferential treatment if repatriation flights resumed later in May. The group stage of the IPL is due to finish on May 23 with the final on May 30.
"This wasn't part of an Australian tour," he said. "They're under their own resources. And they'll be using those resources to, I'm sure, to see them return to Australia in accordance with their own arrangements."
