All Blacks 2021
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@old-samurai-jack which forwards? Surely not our loose forwards?
he's comparing us to a golden era of AB tight play. Only rates savea, reckons Whitelock/Retallick are past it.
I think the only thing you can say is 'we'll see'. Not sure the Bokke are filling the world with fear right now - the lack of international level rugby will have an effect. Lions tour could be very interesting. Betfair has the lions slightly favourites to win the series, and I agree - and I think the forwards will be a big part of that.
We've seen the NH sides really lift after their 2015 embarassment. Good for them, now we have to do the same
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
We've seen the NH sides really lift after their 2015 embarassment. Good for them, now we have to do the same
Perhaps we should stop sending our coaches and retirees OS to teach them?
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
Keo is the SA version of Ratpoo. Click bait so ignore.
even more clickbait than he used to be since he struck out on his own.
A mate (genuinely not me yo) used to hop on Keo after the Bokke lost and troll them ... very easy to wind up his audience. I don't commend or condemn, but I do understand
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@old-samurai-jack which forwards? Surely not our loose forwards?
@antipodean Personally, I think one of our failings since the Lions series and one that didn't seem to improve last year was the lack of go forward in our forwards. Predictable pod systems, a lack of pick and go, a lack of getting over the gain line, etc to create space for the backs. Keo is a wind-up merchant with a patch but in this case, there is no smoke without fire, unless the All Black forwards get more efficient, it won't matter which backs will be playing.
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@antipodean Personally, I think one of our failings since the Lions series and one that didn't seem to improve last year was the lack of go forward in our forwards. Predictable pod systems, a lack of pick and go, a lack of getting over the gain line, etc to create space for the backs. Keo is a wind-up merchant with a patch but in this case, there is no smoke without fire, unless the All Black forwards get more efficient, it won't matter which backs will be playing.
@old-samurai-jack I agree our structure is easily read. Not sure changing players makes a difference.
I'm just furious that after all the talk about imposing ourselves, they coaches selected the team they did to be humiliated by Argentina.
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@old-samurai-jack I agree our structure is easily read. Not sure changing players makes a difference.
I'm just furious that after all the talk about imposing ourselves, they coaches selected the team they did to be humiliated by Argentina.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@old-samurai-jack I agree our structure is easily read. Not sure changing players makes a difference.
I'm just furious that after all the talk about imposing ourselves, they coaches selected the team they did to be humiliated by Argentina.
In the last 3 years we have played like a team who thinks they canât win a physical battle. Makes it easier to defend as you take out nearly half the field
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
Hodgeman
T. Crusader
Laulala
A. Crusader
Tuipulotu
Papalii
T. Cane
IoaneYou got this @KiwiMurph
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
Hodgeman
T. Crusader
Laulala
A. Crusader
Tuipulotu
Papalii
T. Cane
IoaneYou got this @KiwiMurph
Tam Cane?
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Tam Cane?
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
Of those available in the squad, on the above basis:
DeGroot (just shades Karl on workrate but loses on scrummaging, so wouldnât make my actual team)
Taylor
Ofa
Whitelock
Retallick
Blackadder (I actually think Robinson but he wasnât picked)
Paps
Ioane (I think Sotutu is much more Zinzan than Buck, if that makes sense) -
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
Of those available in the squad, on the above basis:
DeGroot (just shades Karl on workrate but loses on scrummaging, so wouldnât make my actual team)
Taylor
Ofa
Whitelock
Retallick
Blackadder (I actually think Robinson but he wasnât picked)
Paps
Ioane (I think Sotutu is much more Zinzan than Buck, if that makes sense)@gt12 The elephant in the room....... the Crusaders loose forwards seemed to dominate against the Blues despite the Blues advantage at set piece.......
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@chris That's how I see our top starting forward pack right now. Could be a tweak in the loose forwards.
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So Keo in SA has written off the All Black forwards as "frail". Hate to say it but he does have a point (for once). Unless there are some serious improvements this year, this so-called frailty is going to be an obvious target for the opposition.
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:
So Keo in SA has written off the All Black forwards as "frail". Hate to say it but he does have a point (for once). Unless there are some serious improvements this year, this so-called frailty is going to be an obvious target for the opposition.
Was it Keo? Saw the headline and just didn't bother. Am now feeling justified.
Saw Jim Kayes tweet something about some bloke hardly any Kiwi had heard of. Keo's been around for years (been quiet recently ... is he making a comeback now they won something, are ranked No.1, and are unbeaten for nearly two years?), so if you haven't heard of him you haven't done your job, and if you have you know he's (politely) a provocateur.
