All Blacks 2021
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
in all hoesty, given the constraints and maybes in place, most especially on coming home, and the protocols they are going to be under the whole time, i am astounded that more of them have decided not to go
that's a long long time of being in a hotel room or training/playing code.
Perhaps they like the AB environment Foster has created.
Wait a minute, most of them are married with kids right?
Yeah, so 1 weeks soft quarantine in WA, then 13 weeks traveling the globe in business class, nights in high rated hotels with the boys. Followed by 2 weeks me time in a hotel in NZ. It's either that or trying home schooling in level 4
You are forgetting the minimum 10 years of "when I looked after the kids in lockdown while you were with your mates" getting pulled out at every opportunity
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
in all hoesty, given the constraints and maybes in place, most especially on coming home, and the protocols they are going to be under the whole time, i am astounded that more of them have decided not to go
that's a long long time of being in a hotel room or training/playing code.
Perhaps they like the AB environment Foster has created.
Wait a minute, most of them are married with kids right?
Yeah, so 1 weeks soft quarantine in WA, then 13 weeks traveling the globe in business class, nights in high rated hotels with the boys. Followed by 2 weeks me time in a hotel in NZ. It's either that or trying home schooling in level 4
You are forgetting the minimum 10 years of "when I looked after the kids in lockdown while you were with your mates" getting pulled out at every opportunity
Yep, the married players will pay the price - one way or another.
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You gotta love the people that decry the current playing squad as vastly inferior to years gone past but have obviously just memory blocked that era where Weepu, Cowan and Ellis were the best halfbacks in the country.
@frye said in All Blacks 2021:
You gotta love the people that decry the current playing squad as vastly inferior to years gone past but have obviously just memory blocked that era where Weepu, Cowan and Ellis were the best halfbacks in the country.
All three still miles better than Perenara, Weber and Christie
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.
As 10? Ehh... like him but not sure he's the next best 10 option. Hunt for me.
I agree Hunt is next best as a starter but thought they might break in someone slowly with a longer term view. I think Plummer has improved a lot this year. Should be playing 10 all the time I feel.
@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.
As 10? Ehh... like him but not sure he's the next best 10 option. Hunt for me.
I agree Hunt is next best as a starter but thought they might break in someone slowly with a longer term view. I think Plummer has improved a lot this year. Should be playing 10 all the time I feel.
It’s probably time the AB selectors start looking to develop another ten. After the top two there isn’t much depth. We’re are an injury or two away from sub standard options
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@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.
As 10? Ehh... like him but not sure he's the next best 10 option. Hunt for me.
I agree Hunt is next best as a starter but thought they might break in someone slowly with a longer term view. I think Plummer has improved a lot this year. Should be playing 10 all the time I feel.
It’s probably time the AB selectors start looking to develop another ten. After the top two there isn’t much depth. We’re are an injury or two away from sub standard options
They had plenty of chances to develop Joane but clearly didn’t like him enough to stop them picking a thousand outside backs.
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Mo’unga, Barrett, Dmac, Hunt? Joane?
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@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.
As 10? Ehh... like him but not sure he's the next best 10 option. Hunt for me.
I agree Hunt is next best as a starter but thought they might break in someone slowly with a longer term view. I think Plummer has improved a lot this year. Should be playing 10 all the time I feel.
It’s probably time the AB selectors start looking to develop another ten. After the top two there isn’t much depth. We’re are an injury or two away from sub standard options
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.
As 10? Ehh... like him but not sure he's the next best 10 option. Hunt for me.
I agree Hunt is next best as a starter but thought they might break in someone slowly with a longer term view. I think Plummer has improved a lot this year. Should be playing 10 all the time I feel.
It’s probably time the AB selectors start looking to develop another ten. After the top two there isn’t much depth. We’re are an injury or two away from sub standard options
Like 2011
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They had plenty of chances to develop Joane but clearly didn’t like him enough to stop them picking a thousand outside backs.
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Mo’unga, Barrett, Dmac, Hunt? Joane?
@gt12 It's not too awful. How many other teams have even two test-class first fives? We've got a World Player of the Year, who's probably not even first choice.
Add in DMac, who's played well enough in some tests, we're not too bereft.
I wouldn't particularly want to see Mitch Hunt starting a big test, but we're probably no thinner than 2011.
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They had plenty of chances to develop Joane but clearly didn’t like him enough to stop them picking a thousand outside backs.
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Mo’unga, Barrett, Dmac, Hunt? Joane?
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
Love was able to show glimpses of a different quality even though under obvious instructions to shovel it on and drop back.
Canes still think he’s a fullback so might be a problem.
I’m not seeing anything great from Trask but the Blues Sullivan looks to be talented and smart enough to build if he gets opportunities -
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
@duluth I have a lot of "what ifs" about Tiaan Falcon. What if he hadn't had so many injuries? What if he hadn't been stuck behind Dmac and had more game time at the Chiefs? What if he hadn't gone to Japan? He was a top talent for NZ U20s, but couldn't stay injury free.
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@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
Love was able to show glimpses of a different quality even though under obvious instructions to shovel it on and drop back.
Canes still think he’s a fullback so might be a problem.
I’m not seeing anything great from Trask but the Blues Sullivan looks to be talented and smart enough to build if he gets opportunities@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
Love was able to show glimpses of a different quality even though under obvious instructions to shovel it on and drop back.
Canes still think he’s a fullback so might be a problem.
I’m not seeing anything great from Trask but the Blues Sullivan looks to be talented and smart enough to build if he gets opportunitiesSullivan has the kicking game and appears to have time when under pressure.
He needs starts at ten though.. is his passing up to it? Does he have the running game the AB selectors want from their 10’s etc -
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
Love was able to show glimpses of a different quality even though under obvious instructions to shovel it on and drop back.
Canes still think he’s a fullback so might be a problem.
I’m not seeing anything great from Trask but the Blues Sullivan looks to be talented and smart enough to build if he gets opportunitiesSullivan has the kicking game and appears to have time when under pressure.
He needs starts at ten though.. is his passing up to it? Does he have the running game the AB selectors want from their 10’s etc@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
Love was able to show glimpses of a different quality even though under obvious instructions to shovel it on and drop back.
Canes still think he’s a fullback so might be a problem.
I’m not seeing anything great from Trask but the Blues Sullivan looks to be talented and smart enough to build if he gets opportunitiesSullivan has the kicking game and appears to have time when under pressure.
He needs starts at ten though.. is his passing up to it? Does he have the running game the AB selectors want from their 10’s etcAgree. Some players just instantly stand out as possibilities and to me he looks like one.
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I wish at least one of Sullivan and Plummer would go somewhere they can play 10 consistently as I see the most potential in them. Trask has not come on yet. Love needs a bit more time to build his influence on a game. Don't think Hunt or Josh will get any better.
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Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
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Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
Patrick McKendry: All Blacks set to make wrong choice for new captain
He got it correct, says it's the wrong choice, but provides no reasons
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They also confirmed that Brodie Retallick and Beauden Barrett would be vice-captains.
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@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
Patrick McKendry: All Blacks set to make wrong choice for new captain
He got it correct, says it's the wrong choice, but provides no reasons
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
Patrick McKendry: All Blacks set to make wrong choice for new captain
He got it correct, says it's the wrong choice, but provides no reasons
Would be buried too often in rucks? Lacks the top two inches of genuinely taller players?
