All Blacks 2021
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
Love was able to show glimpses of a different quality even though under obvious instructions to shovel it on and drop back.
Canes still think he’s a fullback so might be a problem.
I’m not seeing anything great from Trask but the Blues Sullivan looks to be talented and smart enough to build if he gets opportunitiesSullivan has the kicking game and appears to have time when under pressure.
He needs starts at ten though.. is his passing up to it? Does he have the running game the AB selectors want from their 10’s etc@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@duluth said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
The cupboard is pretty bare too: Hunt is good, but not WC good; Joane seems to be out of favor; and Plummer is coming along, but has kicking issues (he’s really a 10/12). Love is also talent but it’s far too early to tell how good he might be.
Hunt has peaked at 'not quite good enough'
I hope Ioane isn't done. Maybe getting out of Dunedin would help
Plummer, medium/long term is a 12. Although he has recently shown some good acceleration that AB 10's need now
Love might have the most upside. But maybe he's a better fullback?
Can't think of many other options? Trask shows flashes of quality but mostly at fullback..
Love was able to show glimpses of a different quality even though under obvious instructions to shovel it on and drop back.
Canes still think he’s a fullback so might be a problem.
I’m not seeing anything great from Trask but the Blues Sullivan looks to be talented and smart enough to build if he gets opportunitiesSullivan has the kicking game and appears to have time when under pressure.
He needs starts at ten though.. is his passing up to it? Does he have the running game the AB selectors want from their 10’s etcAgree. Some players just instantly stand out as possibilities and to me he looks like one.
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I wish at least one of Sullivan and Plummer would go somewhere they can play 10 consistently as I see the most potential in them. Trask has not come on yet. Love needs a bit more time to build his influence on a game. Don't think Hunt or Josh will get any better.
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Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
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Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
Patrick McKendry: All Blacks set to make wrong choice for new captain
He got it correct, says it's the wrong choice, but provides no reasons
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They also confirmed that Brodie Retallick and Beauden Barrett would be vice-captains.
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@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
Patrick McKendry: All Blacks set to make wrong choice for new captain
He got it correct, says it's the wrong choice, but provides no reasons
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Ardie has been named captain. Great choice if you ask me.
Let’s hope he starts at 7 and not 8 going forward though.
Patrick McKendry: All Blacks set to make wrong choice for new captain
He got it correct, says it's the wrong choice, but provides no reasons
Would be buried too often in rucks? Lacks the top two inches of genuinely taller players?
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You gotta love the people that decry the current playing squad as vastly inferior to years gone past but have obviously just memory blocked that era where Weepu, Cowan and Ellis were the best halfbacks in the country.
@frye said in All Blacks 2021:
You gotta love the people that decry the current playing squad as vastly inferior to years gone past but have obviously just memory blocked that era where Weepu, Cowan and Ellis were the best halfbacks in the country.
I think our talent isn’t so bad ,
But from the outside looking in , our overall leadership doesn’t look as strong , well compared to the mccaw era anyway
Has a similar feel to the early 2000s to me , talent pool looks ok , not convinced yet on direction , but that could change , just unconvinced
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@frye said in All Blacks 2021:
You gotta love the people that decry the current playing squad as vastly inferior to years gone past but have obviously just memory blocked that era where Weepu, Cowan and Ellis were the best halfbacks in the country.
I think our talent isn’t so bad ,
But from the outside looking in , our overall leadership doesn’t look as strong , well compared to the mccaw era anyway
Has a similar feel to the early 2000s to me , talent pool looks ok , not convinced yet on direction , but that could change , just unconvinced
@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
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@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
Yeah I’m prepared to get behind them , even with those doubts
I mean wanting them to succeed is more beneficial than the other way around to me , I don’t see the point in wanting them to fail so you can say told ya so
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@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
Or maybe they have and you haven’t seen it?
Did Eddie show everyone the game he took England into the semi with? No. He put the pieces in place for that game though.
I think we would be dumb to go away from our natural way of playing at speed and reading what is in front of us. Then we need to grow the experience to read what the opposition is bringing and adjust quickly. That’s what we have failed on in the past. -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiinmelb I think it's more the coaching team still haven't imposed a discernable style or plan yet, we are seeing glimpses but guess the disruptions are.affecting the ability to get some consistency
Or maybe they have and you haven’t seen it?
Did Eddie show everyone the game he took England into the semi with? No. He put the pieces in place for that game though.
I think we would be dumb to go away from our natural way of playing at speed and reading what is in front of us. Then we need to grow the experience to read what the opposition is bringing and adjust quickly. That’s what we have failed on in the past.@crucial that may be true, but for the most part there is very little change since he took over, hopefully playing against SA will bring something out.
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I actually think that in the Henry and early Hansen era one of the good things was the way the ABs could sometimes adjust their game. I remember there was a period where the Bok pack was starting to take on mythical proportions (kind of like the Boks now actually) and the ABs would just focus on smashing them up front, they'd do it with England quite often too (2019 aside obviously). Yet we always had the playing at speed and counter attacking in the back pocket.
It's a bit worrying when we get too reactionary, although the reaction to 2009 kick fest worked out quite well in that we brought in a different style of wing for a couple of years.
