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All Blacks vs Springboks I

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  • TimT Tim

    @chris-b

    $3.50

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    @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

    @chris-b

    $3.50

    To be honest, I thought they might be further out than that.

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    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

      @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

      i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

      but

      we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

      Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

      In theory you'd think:

      NZ>Aus
      Aus>SA

      So NZ>SA

      But, it doesn't always happen that way.

      However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

      this week franks the form either way

      Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

      or

      Are the Boks really just rubbish

      i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

      One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

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      #52

      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

      @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

      i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

      but

      we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

      Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

      In theory you'd think:

      NZ>Aus
      Aus>SA

      So NZ>SA

      But, it doesn't always happen that way.

      However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

      this week franks the form either way

      Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

      or

      Are the Boks really just rubbish

      i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

      One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

      7pm NZ, next week we're the 10pm

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      • TimT Tim

        @chris-b

        $3.50

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        #53

        @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

        @chris-b

        $3.50

        Oz at $1.37 to beat the Argies looks like easy money.

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        • Chris B.C Chris B.

          @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

          @chris-b

          $3.50

          Oz at $1.37 to beat the Argies looks like easy money.

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          #54

          @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

          @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

          @chris-b

          $3.50

          Oz at $1.37 to beat the Argies looks like easy money.

          mmmmmmmmmmmmmmulti!

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            #55

            the Bok away are different to the Bok at home, and while they will always lift for an AB match, and the physicality will need to be top notch from us...there will now be lingering doubts (in thier own minds too) about how good they really are, after we smoked Aus, and they have been beaten by Aus, twice...sure it isnt that straight forward, or maybe thier coach has been targetting this match for 4 years 😉

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            • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

              @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

              @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

              i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

              but

              we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

              Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

              In theory you'd think:

              NZ>Aus
              Aus>SA

              So NZ>SA

              But, it doesn't always happen that way.

              However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

              this week franks the form either way

              Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

              or

              Are the Boks really just rubbish

              i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

              One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

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              #56

              @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

              @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

              @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

              i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

              but

              we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

              Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

              In theory you'd think:

              NZ>Aus
              Aus>SA

              So NZ>SA

              But, it doesn't always happen that way.

              However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

              this week franks the form either way

              Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

              or

              Are the Boks really just rubbish

              i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B.

              I think you're right.

              But, if Laurie is right about them missing Super rugby, then they should be better for their games against Oz.

              Missing big Pieter-Steph and Kolbe won't have helped them. They might get Kolbe back for this game?

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              • mariner4lifeM Offline
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                #57

                That point just after half time where they suddenly started playing up-tempo was weird. Faf took a quick tap, they panicked the Aussies, and scored immediately.

                And then just, reverted to type?

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                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                  @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                  i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                  but

                  we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                  Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                  In theory you'd think:

                  NZ>Aus
                  Aus>SA

                  So NZ>SA

                  But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                  However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                  this week franks the form either way

                  Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

                  or

                  Are the Boks really just rubbish

                  i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

                  One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

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                  #58

                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                  @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                  i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                  but

                  we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                  Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                  In theory you'd think:

                  NZ>Aus
                  Aus>SA

                  So NZ>SA

                  But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                  However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                  this week franks the form either way

                  Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

                  or

                  Are the Boks really just rubbish

                  i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

                  One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

                  an insightful and serious post...you've changed man

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                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                    @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                    i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                    but

                    we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                    Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                    In theory you'd think:

                    NZ>Aus
                    Aus>SA

                    So NZ>SA

                    But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                    However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                    this week franks the form either way

                    Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

                    or

                    Are the Boks really just rubbish

                    i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

                    One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

                    an insightful and serious post...you've changed man

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                    #59

                    @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                    @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                    i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                    but

                    we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                    Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                    In theory you'd think:

                    NZ>Aus
                    Aus>SA

                    So NZ>SA

                    But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                    However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                    this week franks the form either way

                    Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

                    or

                    Are the Boks really just rubbish

                    i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

                    One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

                    an insightful and serious post...you've changed man

                    sorry, i'll revert to taking potshots at people

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                    • M Machpants

                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                      @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                      i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                      but

                      we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                      Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                      In theory you'd think:

                      NZ>Aus
                      Aus>SA

                      So NZ>SA

                      But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                      However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                      this week franks the form either way

                      Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

                      or

                      Are the Boks really just rubbish

                      i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

                      One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

                      7pm NZ, next week we're the 10pm

                      nzzpN Online
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                      #60

                      @machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                      @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                      i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                      but

                      we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                      Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                      In theory you'd think:

                      NZ>Aus
                      Aus>SA

                      So NZ>SA

                      But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                      However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                      this week franks the form either way

                      Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

                      or

                      Are the Boks really just rubbish

                      i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

                      One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

                      7pm NZ, next week we're the 10pm

                      I think it's 11pm

                      yep, 11pm
                      https://www.allblacks.com/fixtures/all-blacks/

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                      • mariner4lifeM Offline
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                        #61

                        my info has us fir the 5pm kick off this weekend and the 8pm kick off for the final round

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                        • nzzpN nzzp

                          @machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                          @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                          i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                          but

                          we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                          Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                          In theory you'd think:

                          NZ>Aus
                          Aus>SA

                          So NZ>SA

                          But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                          However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                          this week franks the form either way

                          Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

                          or

                          Are the Boks really just rubbish

                          i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

                          One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

                          7pm NZ, next week we're the 10pm

                          I think it's 11pm

                          yep, 11pm
                          https://www.allblacks.com/fixtures/all-blacks/

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                          #62

                          @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                          @machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                          @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                          i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                          but

                          we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                          Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                          In theory you'd think:

                          NZ>Aus
                          Aus>SA

                          So NZ>SA

                          But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                          However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                          this week franks the form either way

                          Have the Wallabies been hugely improved by the changes at 10 and 12?

                          or

                          Are the Boks really just rubbish

                          i get the feeling it's a bit from column A and a bit from column B. And we are going to have to be sharp to take advantage of whatever opportunities we get. And stay patient

                          One thing is that it's starting to get warm in North Queensland. Are we the afternoon game or the night game?

                          7pm NZ, next week we're the 10pm

                          I think it's 11pm

                          yep, 11pm
                          https://www.allblacks.com/fixtures/all-blacks/

                          Daylight savings, what a pile of arse that is

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                          • TimT Tim

                            This will be the team if ALB is fit:

                            1 Tu'inukuafe
                            2 Taylor
                            3 Laulala
                            4 Retallick
                            5 Barrett
                            6 Ioane
                            7 Papalii
                            8 Savea
                            9 Perenara
                            10 Barrett
                            11 Ioane
                            12 Havili
                            13 ALB
                            14 Reece
                            15 Barrett

                            16 Taukei'aho
                            17 Moody
                            18 Tu'ungafasi
                            19 Tuipulotu
                            20 Jacobson
                            21 Weber
                            22 DMac
                            23 Jordan

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                            #63

                            @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                            This will be the team if ALB is fit:

                            9 Perenara
                            10 Barrett

                            I don't see the B. Barrett has done anything this year to deserve being picked to start. People assume he is going to come right (blather about how class never goes, blah, blah, blah) but he doesn't add anything for me other than slightly better tackling. Nor has Foster ever seemed to pick him as his first choice.

                            If we start with Perenara, then the main criteria for the #10 will be who can best pick the ball up from around their ankles.

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                            • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                              For all the talk of how dangerous the bombs of south Africa are, they put up appropriately 230 over the past 2 weeks, the wallabies dealt with them appallingly, and won both games

                              I am not worried.

                              Keep the ball for various sets of 5+ phases and we'll score more than they are capable of with their current game plan

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                              #64

                              @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                              For all the talk of how dangerous the bombs of south Africa are, they put up appropriately 230 over the past 2 weeks, the wallabies dealt with them appallingly, and won both games

                              I am not worried.

                              Keep the ball for various sets of 5+ phases and we'll score more than they are capable of with their current game plan

                              Those bombs are such an insanely low percentage play, I'm astounded anyone thinks they're a good idea? Even if you get the ball back, best case scenario is you've made about 10m? Actually scoring from them is very rare.

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                                #65

                                The Boks will lift for us, the first 40 will be brutal. I expect them to run out of gas in the 2nd 40 though, but we'll have to play well and take our chances. The Boks are not Argentina, they know how to adjust to the game situation and get under the other teams skin etc. They've got some wiley old campaigners in their side.

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                                  24C and 68% humidity is the forecast at kickoff. Expect a high tempo game to run them off their feet.

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                                  • MN5M MN5

                                    @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                    i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                                    but

                                    we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                                    Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                                    In theory you'd think:

                                    NZ>Aus
                                    Aus>SA

                                    So NZ>SA

                                    But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                                    However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                                    It’s like when everyone thought since Frazier > Ali and then Foreman > Frazier then naturally Foreman > Ali was a logical conclusion.

                                    I don’t know what this has to do with Rugby but shut the fuck up Laurie ‘funeral face” Mains. Predictions like that have a habit of blowing up in faces.

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                                    @mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                    @chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                    i don't really believe in all this "motivating the opposition" guff, this isn't park football

                                    but

                                    we are starting to talk this up to uncomfortable levels.

                                    Yeah - a couple of weeks ago, no-one thought the Aussies would get close to SA.

                                    In theory you'd think:

                                    NZ>Aus
                                    Aus>SA

                                    So NZ>SA

                                    But, it doesn't always happen that way.

                                    However, the Boks will be paying plenty on the TAB.

                                    It’s like when everyone thought since Frazier > Ali and then Foreman > Frazier then naturally Foreman > Ali was a logical conclusion.

                                    I don’t know what this has to do with Rugby but shut the fuck up Laurie ‘funeral face” Mains. Predictions like that have a habit of blowing up in faces.

                                    It has absolutely zero effect (unless the team starts to believe it). All it does is give opposition fans ammo to tease us if results go the other way.

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                                    • Chester DrawsC Chester Draws

                                      @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                      This will be the team if ALB is fit:

                                      9 Perenara
                                      10 Barrett

                                      I don't see the B. Barrett has done anything this year to deserve being picked to start. People assume he is going to come right (blather about how class never goes, blah, blah, blah) but he doesn't add anything for me other than slightly better tackling. Nor has Foster ever seemed to pick him as his first choice.

                                      If we start with Perenara, then the main criteria for the #10 will be who can best pick the ball up from around their ankles.

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                                      @chester-draws said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                      @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                      This will be the team if ALB is fit:

                                      9 Perenara
                                      10 Barrett

                                      I don't see the B. Barrett has done anything this year to deserve being picked to start. People assume he is going to come right (blather about how class never goes, blah, blah, blah) but he doesn't add anything for me other than slightly better tackling. Nor has Foster ever seemed to pick him as his first choice.

                                      If we start with Perenara, then the main criteria for the #10 will be who can best pick the ball up from around their ankles.

                                      Not sure how to react to this.

                                      Thought Barrett and TJP had played well in recent weeks.

                                      Can I ask who your alternatives are?

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                                      • Chester DrawsC Chester Draws

                                        @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                        This will be the team if ALB is fit:

                                        9 Perenara
                                        10 Barrett

                                        I don't see the B. Barrett has done anything this year to deserve being picked to start. People assume he is going to come right (blather about how class never goes, blah, blah, blah) but he doesn't add anything for me other than slightly better tackling. Nor has Foster ever seemed to pick him as his first choice.

                                        If we start with Perenara, then the main criteria for the #10 will be who can best pick the ball up from around their ankles.

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                                        #69

                                        @chester-draws said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                        @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                        This will be the team if ALB is fit:

                                        9 Perenara
                                        10 Barrett

                                        I don't see the B. Barrett has done anything this year to deserve being picked to start. People assume he is going to come right (blather about how class never goes, blah, blah, blah) but he doesn't add anything for me other than slightly better tackling. Nor has Foster ever seemed to pick him as his first choice.

                                        If we start with Perenara, then the main criteria for the #10 will be who can best pick the ball up from around their ankles.

                                        so you're saying you want DMac to start?

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                                        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                          @chester-draws said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                          @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                          This will be the team if ALB is fit:

                                          9 Perenara
                                          10 Barrett

                                          I don't see the B. Barrett has done anything this year to deserve being picked to start. People assume he is going to come right (blather about how class never goes, blah, blah, blah) but he doesn't add anything for me other than slightly better tackling. Nor has Foster ever seemed to pick him as his first choice.

                                          If we start with Perenara, then the main criteria for the #10 will be who can best pick the ball up from around their ankles.

                                          so you're saying you want DMac to start?

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                                          @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                          @chester-draws said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                          @tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

                                          This will be the team if ALB is fit:

                                          9 Perenara
                                          10 Barrett

                                          I don't see the B. Barrett has done anything this year to deserve being picked to start. People assume he is going to come right (blather about how class never goes, blah, blah, blah) but he doesn't add anything for me other than slightly better tackling. Nor has Foster ever seemed to pick him as his first choice.

                                          If we start with Perenara, then the main criteria for the #10 will be who can best pick the ball up from around their ankles.

                                          so you're saying you want DMac to start?

                                          And Christie, I guess

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