Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****
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The technology was the problem wasn't it?</p></blockquote>
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<p>Sure, but I don't think the lightsaber duels themselves relied on massive amounts of CGI.</p>
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<p>Some of them did, particularly the ones involving Yoda and death defying flips.</p>
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<p>It does make the first duel ever seen on screen between Vader and Obi Wan seem extremely lame in comparison, their feet may as well have been encased in cement.</p> -
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Some of them did, particularly the ones involving Yoda and death defying flips.<br><br>
It does make the first duel ever seen on screen between Vader and Obi Wan seem extremely lame in comparison, their feet may as well have been encased in cement.</p></blockquote>
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Yep. These 2 fought the duel of the century that ultimately resulted in Anniken becoming a mechanical freak. When they meet decades later, Vader is as cool as a farking cucumber and almost civil to him. Where was the dark side rage. After 20 odd years he'd want to force crush Obis nuts and carve him up slowly. "Your powers are weak old man" is pretty farking lame. -
<p>I think being in the suit for so long definitely numbed the emotions somewhat though. The lameness I was referring to was they went from moving literally hundreds of metres in all directions in their first encounter to pretty much facing eachother in an area the size of a waiting room.</p>
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<p>Ewen McGregor could do a cameo in the latest one, even a shot of him gazing across tattooine would be pretty cool.</p> -
<p>Anniken was also a massive chopper before he turned into Darth. 20 years to mature and chill is rather reasonable. He became a cool cat over time, completely unlike he used to be</p>
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Yeah, but it was still the guy who turned him into a mechanical freak and who he probably blamed for Padme. Even your most chilled pot smoking hippy is likely to flip at the thought of those memories.<br><br>
The mechanical argument is a bit meh. He has access to the best hardware in the galaxy. If anything it would make him bigger and stronger. Also Obi isn't THAT old and his powers shouldn't be that weak. What was he doing on Tatooine the entire time? Scaring sand people? -
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<p>Yeah, but it was still the guy who turned him into a mechanical freak and who he probably blamed for Padme. Even your most chilled pot smoking hippy is likely to flip at the thought of those memories.<br><br>
The mechanical argument is a bit meh. He has access to the best hardware in the galaxy. If anything it would make him bigger and stronger. Also Obi isn't THAT old and his powers shouldn't be that weak. What was he doing on Tatooine the entire time? Scaring sand people?</p>
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<p>DV could still be pretty mobile when he had to be and was freakishly strong through the force and the metal arms and legs. However he lost quite a bit of potential due to the force relying on living matter, of which he lost a lot of.....if anything the prequels proved what a badass Obi Wan actually was in his day. I don't buy Yodas argument that he would have been too weak to face the Emperor.</p> -
I always thought the Force was more a power of the mind thing. Despite his missing parts, Vader would still have the same midichlorin count.<br><br>
Obi Wan is a bit tainted by having been handed his arse twice by Dooku. -
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<p>I always thought the Force was more a power of the mind thing. Despite his missing parts, Vader would still have the same midichlorin count.<br><br>
Obi Wan is a bit tainted by having been handed his arse twice by Dooku.</p>
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<p>Yeah but Dooku was one of the best force users of his era, up with Palpatine, Yodes and Windu. Definitely an underrated fighter in the same way Darth Maul was overrated ( lets not forget Obi Wan was a padawan when they fought ).</p>
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<p>Pretty sure I've read that whilst Vader was hugely powerful he never reached his true potential cos of the damage to his human body.</p> -
<p>To me that was the biggest fuck up of the prequels (ok, one of many). The Vader v Obi Wan fight in Star Wars was written off as being slow because they were old. And then they went and made them young as fuck in the prequels, meaning they went from mid-20s and 30s to their 60s in 18 years. </p>
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<p>maybe the force ages you faster?</p>
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<p>To me that was the biggest fuck up of the prequels (ok, one of many). The Vader v Obi Wan fight in Star Wars was written off as being slow because they were old. And then they went and made them young as fuck in the prequels, meaning they went from mid-20s and 30s to their 60s in 18 years. </p>
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<p>Obi Wan woulda been over 40 when he wasted Annekin first time round, Annekin woulda been late 20s so 60 odd vs late 40s is entirely plausible. They were early 20s and about 8 or 9 when they first met. No Jar Jar level fuck ups there.</p> -
<p>Jar Jar looks quite young though.</p>
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<p>Jar Jar looks quite young though.</p>
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<p>MN5 jr the older loved seeing Admiral Ackbar again in TFA and said he bet he'd taste nice on a Barbie.</p> -
<p>Ackbar looks ancient, be a bit tough I reckon.</p>
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I had (actually still have) an Akbar figure. I used to call him fillet o fish.
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Yes without their capital ships they had no fleet worth a damn.<br><br>
Fark I should have died a virgin... -
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<p>He's from a planet called Mon Calamari, bet the seafood there is beautiful.</p>
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<p>Mind you we shouldn't take the piss, without his co-ordination and leadership the rebels woulda been fucked.</p>
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<p>For a supposed tactical genius he didn't see that 'it's a trap' until too late.</p>
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<p>Pity that the change of canon seems to have killed off General Thrawn as he was the Empire's tactical genius equivalent of Ackbar. </p>
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