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  • DuluthD Duluth

    Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

    At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

    He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
    When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

    Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

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    @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

    At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

    Meanwhile Sotutu was excellent off of the bench in Boks game 1.

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      The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

        At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

        Meanwhile Sotutu was excellent off of the bench in Boks game 1.

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        @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

        @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

        At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

        Meanwhile Sotutu was excellent off of the bench in Boks game 1.

        Yeah he did play well. It was the only time he was included on a bench this year though.

        Jacobson & Blackadder were both used 4 times on the bench. Surprisingly Frizell was used 3 times despite missing loads of tests
        (the others were Ioane twice, Cane coming back from injury and Sotutu)

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        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

          @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

          Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

          At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

          He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
          When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

          Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

          or, you know, the AB selectors could fucking identify that the wet paper bag they have at 8 isn't the answer? And then suddenly he's a shout to start

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          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:

          @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

          Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

          At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

          He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
          When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

          Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

          or, you know, the AB selectors could fucking identify that the wet paper bag they have at 8 isn't the answer? And then suddenly he's a shout to start

          He's there for his mana and highlights. I assume the stats analyst does fuck all too.

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            because i assume we are still wedded to the whole "can't play 3 games in 3 weeks" thing

            Also, because NZ is a fucking long way from everywhere, there is generally a lot of travel involved as well. England in that time may have gone as far as Rome? That's a shorter trip than me going to friggen Brisbane.

            I'm not absolving the coaches of mistakes, i am saying the ABs have to deal with a lot of other factors affecting performance

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            @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:

            because i assume we are still wedded to the whole "can't play 3 games in 3 weeks" thing

            So the solution to it being hard to play 3 games in 3 weeks is to play with worse players for one of those weeks. Genius. Let's roll out the B team for the final cause the A team has played in the Quarter and Semi.

            What's next? It's hard to defend for the full 80 minutes so we'll just do it for 60 minutes?

            Seems like such a 2021 "solution" to a problem.

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            • Y Yeahtheboys

              The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

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              @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

              The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

              Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

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              • Y Yeahtheboys

                The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

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                @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

                Reece dropped off too but he does have a good workrate.

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                • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                  @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                  The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

                  Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

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                  @crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2021:

                  @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                  The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

                  Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

                  Stephen Donald: Hold my fritters.

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                    This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

                    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

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                    • BovidaeB Bovidae

                      This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

                      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

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                      @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                      This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

                      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

                      Current squad member wants to keep job, so says current coach is great. What a headline

                      At least this "become less predictable in what we do"

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                        @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                        This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

                        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

                        Current squad member wants to keep job, so says current coach is great. What a headline

                        At least this "become less predictable in what we do"

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                        Barrett concedes there'll be red flags, if the All Blacks don't learn from their 2021 mistakes
                        

                        Um, 2020, anyone?

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                        • nostrildamusN nostrildamus
                          Barrett concedes there'll be red flags, if the All Blacks don't learn from their 2021 mistakes
                          

                          Um, 2020, anyone?

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                          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                          Um, 2018-2020, anyone?

                          FIFY

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                          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                            Um, 2018-2020, anyone?

                            FIFY

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                            @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                            Um, 2018-2020, anyone?

                            FIFY

                            yeah, um, you have a good point there.

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                            • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                              @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                              The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

                              Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

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                              @crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2021:

                              @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                              The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

                              Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

                              He's probably put himself as second choice, so on the bench, but there is no way he gets dropped from the squad.

                              If someone turns up the heat (e.g., Joane) or Dmac comes back as the red-hot 10 from Japan wiht BB on form, there could be a discussion, but even then I can't see it happening.

                              Dmac has likely missed his chance for a WC spot, in my view.

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                                Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                                • sparkyS sparky

                                  Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                  Interesting that he’s only signed for the Canes until 2023.

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                                  • DuluthD Duluth

                                    Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

                                    At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

                                    He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
                                    When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

                                    Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

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                                    @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

                                    At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

                                    He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
                                    When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

                                    Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

                                    What we don't need is more 'tweeners in our back row.

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                                    • sparkyS sparky

                                      Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                      https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                                      @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                      https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                      Such mana! Gotta be our number 8 through to the World Cup. Absolutely undroppable!!

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                                      • sparkyS sparky

                                        Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                        https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                                        @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                        https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                        Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                        I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

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                                          It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

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