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  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

    @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

    Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

    At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

    He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
    When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

    Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

    or, you know, the AB selectors could fucking identify that the wet paper bag they have at 8 isn't the answer? And then suddenly he's a shout to start

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:

    @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

    Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

    At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

    He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
    When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

    Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

    or, you know, the AB selectors could fucking identify that the wet paper bag they have at 8 isn't the answer? And then suddenly he's a shout to start

    He's there for his mana and highlights. I assume the stats analyst does fuck all too.

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    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

      because i assume we are still wedded to the whole "can't play 3 games in 3 weeks" thing

      Also, because NZ is a fucking long way from everywhere, there is generally a lot of travel involved as well. England in that time may have gone as far as Rome? That's a shorter trip than me going to friggen Brisbane.

      I'm not absolving the coaches of mistakes, i am saying the ABs have to deal with a lot of other factors affecting performance

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      @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:

      because i assume we are still wedded to the whole "can't play 3 games in 3 weeks" thing

      So the solution to it being hard to play 3 games in 3 weeks is to play with worse players for one of those weeks. Genius. Let's roll out the B team for the final cause the A team has played in the Quarter and Semi.

      What's next? It's hard to defend for the full 80 minutes so we'll just do it for 60 minutes?

      Seems like such a 2021 "solution" to a problem.

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      • Y Yeahtheboys

        The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

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        @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

        The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

        Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

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        • Y Yeahtheboys

          The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

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          @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

          The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

          Reece dropped off too but he does have a good workrate.

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          • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

            @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

            The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

            Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

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            @crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2021:

            @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

            The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

            Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

            Stephen Donald: Hold my fritters.

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              This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

              https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

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              • BovidaeB Bovidae

                This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

                https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

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                @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

                https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

                Current squad member wants to keep job, so says current coach is great. What a headline

                At least this "become less predictable in what we do"

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                  @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

                  This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

                  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

                  Current squad member wants to keep job, so says current coach is great. What a headline

                  At least this "become less predictable in what we do"

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                  Barrett concedes there'll be red flags, if the All Blacks don't learn from their 2021 mistakes
                  

                  Um, 2020, anyone?

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                  • nostrildamusN nostrildamus
                    Barrett concedes there'll be red flags, if the All Blacks don't learn from their 2021 mistakes
                    

                    Um, 2020, anyone?

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                    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                    Um, 2018-2020, anyone?

                    FIFY

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                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                      Um, 2018-2020, anyone?

                      FIFY

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                      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                      Um, 2018-2020, anyone?

                      FIFY

                      yeah, um, you have a good point there.

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                      • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                        @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                        The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

                        Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

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                        @crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                        The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

                        Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

                        He's probably put himself as second choice, so on the bench, but there is no way he gets dropped from the squad.

                        If someone turns up the heat (e.g., Joane) or Dmac comes back as the red-hot 10 from Japan wiht BB on form, there could be a discussion, but even then I can't see it happening.

                        Dmac has likely missed his chance for a WC spot, in my view.

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                          Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                          https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                          • sparkyS sparky

                            Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                            https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                            @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                            Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                            https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                            Interesting that he’s only signed for the Canes until 2023.

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                            • DuluthD Duluth

                              Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

                              At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

                              He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
                              When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

                              Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

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                              @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

                              Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

                              At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

                              He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
                              When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

                              Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

                              What we don't need is more 'tweeners in our back row.

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                              • sparkyS sparky

                                Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                                @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                Such mana! Gotta be our number 8 through to the World Cup. Absolutely undroppable!!

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                                • sparkyS sparky

                                  Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                  Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                  I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

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                                    It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

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                                    • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                      It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

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                                      @billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

                                      He is considered unsuitable at 8 given our current loose forward mix.

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                                      • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                        It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

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                                        @billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

                                        He is an awesome bench and impact player, but not what this team needs at No. 8.

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                                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                          https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                          Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                          I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

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                                          @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                          https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                          Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                          I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

                                          I'd like to think there is little doubt he has a lot of skill....im just not sure he actually fit into the team well, he's often just running around doing his own thing. I'd like our gameplan to be change to better utilise his gameplan or to have someone not quite as good...but better aligned with how the team is playing

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