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  • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

    @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

    The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

    Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

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    @crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2021:

    @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

    The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

    Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

    Stephen Donald: Hold my fritters.

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      This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

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      • BovidaeB Bovidae

        This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

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        @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

        This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

        Current squad member wants to keep job, so says current coach is great. What a headline

        At least this "become less predictable in what we do"

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          @bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:

          This article has an extended video interview with Beauden (shown on Newshub last night).

          https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/11/rugby-all-blacks-star-beauden-barrett-backs-coach-ian-foster-for-next-world-cup-despite-setbacks.html

          Current squad member wants to keep job, so says current coach is great. What a headline

          At least this "become less predictable in what we do"

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          Barrett concedes there'll be red flags, if the All Blacks don't learn from their 2021 mistakes
          

          Um, 2020, anyone?

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          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus
            Barrett concedes there'll be red flags, if the All Blacks don't learn from their 2021 mistakes
            

            Um, 2020, anyone?

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            @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

            Um, 2018-2020, anyone?

            FIFY

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            • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

              @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

              Um, 2018-2020, anyone?

              FIFY

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              @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:

              @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

              Um, 2018-2020, anyone?

              FIFY

              yeah, um, you have a good point there.

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              • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

                Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

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                @crazy-horse said in All Blacks 2021:

                @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                The five under threat imo are Bridge, Havili, Mounga, McKenzie and (to a lesser extent) Taylor. That list was weird to me

                Hard to see RM being under threat because realistically there isn't anyone else.

                He's probably put himself as second choice, so on the bench, but there is no way he gets dropped from the squad.

                If someone turns up the heat (e.g., Joane) or Dmac comes back as the red-hot 10 from Japan wiht BB on form, there could be a discussion, but even then I can't see it happening.

                Dmac has likely missed his chance for a WC spot, in my view.

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                  Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                  • sparkyS sparky

                    Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                    https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                    @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                    Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                    https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                    Interesting that he’s only signed for the Canes until 2023.

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                    • DuluthD Duluth

                      Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

                      At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

                      He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
                      When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

                      Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

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                      @duluth said in All Blacks 2021:

                      Sotutu might actually be more under threat than Jacobson. If you aren't a starter you really need to offer versatility.

                      At the moment he starts or is left out completely because the other guys offer more options from the bench.

                      He's basically an 8 at SR/AB level and nothing else (he has two starts on a the flank at NPC)
                      When subs happen at the Blues he stays at 8 and other players shift around

                      Maybe finishing a few SR games next year at 7 would help his AB chances? Hard to see him getting any time at 6

                      What we don't need is more 'tweeners in our back row.

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                      • sparkyS sparky

                        Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                        https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                        @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                        Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                        https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                        Such mana! Gotta be our number 8 through to the World Cup. Absolutely undroppable!!

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                        • sparkyS sparky

                          Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                          https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

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                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                          Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                          https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                          Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                          I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

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                            It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

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                            • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                              It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

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                              @billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:

                              It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

                              He is considered unsuitable at 8 given our current loose forward mix.

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                              • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

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                                @billy-tell said in All Blacks 2021:

                                It’s funny. Savea is highly rated outside of this forum, whether that’s journalists or rugby fans from our opponents, but here he seems to be regarded as borderline useless. Someone is wrong.

                                He is an awesome bench and impact player, but not what this team needs at No. 8.

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                                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                  Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                  I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

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                                  @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                  https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                  Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                  I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

                                  I'd like to think there is little doubt he has a lot of skill....im just not sure he actually fit into the team well, he's often just running around doing his own thing. I'd like our gameplan to be change to better utilise his gameplan or to have someone not quite as good...but better aligned with how the team is playing

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                                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                    @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                    https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                    Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                    I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

                                    I'd like to think there is little doubt he has a lot of skill....im just not sure he actually fit into the team well, he's often just running around doing his own thing. I'd like our gameplan to be change to better utilise his gameplan or to have someone not quite as good...but better aligned with how the team is playing

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                                    @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                    https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                    Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                    I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

                                    I'd like to think there is little doubt he has a lot of skill....im just not sure he actually fit into the team well, he's often just running around doing his own thing. I'd like our gameplan to be change to better utilise his gameplan or to have someone not quite as good...but better aligned with how the team is playing

                                    Just to defend him (here), even the team doesn't fit into the team style of playing that well, although it seems to have adapted to help George play better.
                                    I thought Savea had at least a couple of excellent games at 7 and 8 this year but yeah I think we need a specialist. The team is all literally 6s and 7s... (see what I accidentally did there)..

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                                    • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                      @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                      https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                      Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                      I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

                                      I'd like to think there is little doubt he has a lot of skill....im just not sure he actually fit into the team well, he's often just running around doing his own thing. I'd like our gameplan to be change to better utilise his gameplan or to have someone not quite as good...but better aligned with how the team is playing

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                                      @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                      https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                      Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                      I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

                                      I'd like to think there is little doubt he has a lot of skill....im just not sure he actually fit into the team well, he's often just running around doing his own thing. I'd like our gameplan to be change to better utilise his gameplan or to have someone not quite as good...but better aligned with how the team is playing

                                      the gameplan is around utilising him. basicly 3 7s and moveing the ball wide. any game plan to be more forward dominating i could not imagine use him at 8 and considering he might only be no 3 seven life could be interesting for him.

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                                        @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        Ardie Savea to stay until 2025.

                                        https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1465575973525590016?t=w2Nz7iu1UgGaZeB_xZ9G1Q&s=19

                                        Great news, Ardie is awesome, I disagree with most of the posters here in thst. No point arguing it, but imo he was the best player along with Rieko, this year.

                                        I do hope he does better than our last long term Savea signing, tho!

                                        I'd like to think there is little doubt he has a lot of skill....im just not sure he actually fit into the team well, he's often just running around doing his own thing. I'd like our gameplan to be change to better utilise his gameplan or to have someone not quite as good...but better aligned with how the team is playing

                                        the gameplan is around utilising him. basicly 3 7s and moveing the ball wide. any game plan to be more forward dominating i could not imagine use him at 8 and considering he might only be no 3 seven life could be interesting for him.

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                                        @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        any game plan to be more forward dominating

                                        And we have been dominated physically all year when it mattered.

                                        Don't get me wrong, Ardie is a world class 7, but he is not the answer at 8 for us.

                                        Foster needs to go to specialists, not trying to fit players in, out of position

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                                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                          @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          any game plan to be more forward dominating

                                          And we have been dominated physically all year when it mattered.

                                          Don't get me wrong, Ardie is a world class 7, but he is not the answer at 8 for us.

                                          Foster needs to go to specialists, not trying to fit players in, out of position

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                                          @taniwharugby
                                          agree as i said in another thread big red has a opportunity if he can get more gametime and same with someone like sami finau and probably others

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