All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
I've taken last years Super Rugby stats and adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins.
Makes you wonder what Hodgman did wrong, how was he left out for Bower?
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
I've taken last years Super Rugby stats and adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins.
Makes you wonder what Hodgman did wrong, how was he left out for Bower?
I don't imagine he would've gone worse in the scrum than Bower? I can't remember, though
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@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
I've taken last years Super Rugby stats and adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins.
Makes you wonder what Hodgman did wrong, how was he left out for Bower?
I don't imagine he would've gone worse in the scrum than Bower? I can't remember, though
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
I've taken last years Super Rugby stats and adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins.
Makes you wonder what Hodgman did wrong, how was he left out for Bower?
I don't imagine he would've gone worse in the scrum than Bower? I can't remember, though
He has pretty long levers by comparison which may not help, but from the other side, whereas Bower is a bit small Hodgman has considerable size to use around the park - as supported by those stats.
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
I've taken last years Super Rugby stats and adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins.
Makes you wonder what Hodgman did wrong, how was he left out for Bower?
I don't imagine he would've gone worse in the scrum than Bower? I can't remember, though
He has pretty long levers by comparison which may not help, but from the other side, whereas Bower is a bit small Hodgman has considerable size to use around the park - as supported by those stats.
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
I've taken last years Super Rugby stats and adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins.
Makes you wonder what Hodgman did wrong, how was he left out for Bower?
I don't imagine he would've gone worse in the scrum than Bower? I can't remember, though
He has pretty long levers by comparison which may not help, but from the other side, whereas Bower is a bit small Hodgman has considerable size to use around the park - as supported by those stats.
Yea, you'd expect his size would mean he's more likely to have impact at a ruck/tackle too, which wouldn't be reflected in those stats.
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I've taken last years Super Rugby stats and adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins.
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@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 that is some godawful reading for Joe & Karl.
Might be time for both to be dropped, unless they have stellar seasons in SR.
Hodgman, Ross, and De Groot, with Tu'ungufasi covering both sides?
Oli Norris as bolter?
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I've taken last years Super Rugby stats and adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins.
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@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 that is some godawful reading for Joe & Karl.
Might be time for both to be dropped, unless they have stellar seasons in SR.
Hodgman, Ross, and De Groot, with Tu'ungufasi covering both sides?
Oli Norris as bolter?
@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 that is some godawful reading for Joe & Karl.
Might be time for both to be dropped, unless they have stellar seasons in SR.
Hodgman, Ross, and De Groot, with Tu'ungufasi covering both sides?
From @Chris post above, Williams might be being set up to be the new Ofa/Moli.
I'd personally prefer Ofa to focus on TH and us develop another both side option.
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@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 that is some godawful reading for Joe & Karl.
Might be time for both to be dropped, unless they have stellar seasons in SR.
Hodgman, Ross, and De Groot, with Tu'ungufasi covering both sides?
Oli Norris as bolter?
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@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Norris
I added him in an edit shortly after my initial post.
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@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-all game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
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@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 Where are those stats from? I've found the Rugbypass data to be pretty poor.
https://super.rugby/superrugby/fixtures/archives/2021-super-rugby-aotearoa/
The data is from Opta, so the stats provider that NZ rugby uses.
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@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-all game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.
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@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-all game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
Yeah, there will be guys who come off the bench late in the game, and will probably get relatively more run metres and less tackles because of that.
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@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-all game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.
I love this data btw, it's really cool!
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.
I love this data btw, it's really cool!
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.
I love this data btw, it's really cool!
Great, I'll try and share little snippets of it where it might be relevant. I don't have much for NPC or All Blacks, unfortunately. But if people find reliable sources for these I can see if i can do something with those too.
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Lets start at number one, loosehead prop.
Joe Moody is 33 and can barely carry the ball now, is an average defender, and hasn't been a dominant scrummager at international level for at least two seasons. Still good in the maul. Only in the running as a starter, IMO. If he's in our first choice world cup 23 then we're probably in trouble.
The other options in the squad that were allowed to play test rugby were Bower and Tu'inukuafe. Neither are what you'd call dynamic. Tu'inukuafe really only in there for scrummaging and maul work. Bower as injury cover.
DeGroot is more athletic, but scrummaging and ability to play at test level are unexamined.
Further options are Aidan Ross and Alex Hodgman. Ross was very good in SRA, but faded in SRTT. Hodgman got suspended for a particularly stupid high tackle in SRA, but came back pretty well, and was very good in the SRTT final.
Apparently there's a young guy at the Crusaders, but did he play much NPC? I didn't notice him.
Atu Moli may play rugby again someday.
I suspect that Ofa Tu'ungafasi, with an off-season to recover from injury, will return to his 2019 role, and play a lot at loosehead.
