All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023

[Tim]

@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@bobily2 that is some godawful reading for Joe & Karl.

Might be time for both to be dropped, unless they have stellar seasons in SR.

Hodgman, Ross, and De Groot, with Tu'ungufasi covering both sides?

Oli Norris as bolter?

[Tim]

@bobily2 Where are those stats from? I've found the Rugbypass data to be pretty poor.

[gt12]

@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@bobily2 that is some godawful reading for Joe & Karl.

Might be time for both to be dropped, unless they have stellar seasons in SR.

Hodgman, Ross, and De Groot, with Tu'ungufasi covering both sides?

From @Chris post above, Williams might be being set up to be the new Ofa/Moli.

I'd personally prefer Ofa to focus on TH and us develop another both side option.

[Bones]

@tim sounds good to me. I thought Norris had a bit of a (maybe rednblack) fan club here?

[Tim]

@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

Norris

I added him in an edit shortly after my initial post.

[Bones]

@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.

[gt12]

@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.

He's had fuck-all game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.

[bobily2]

@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@bobily2 Where are those stats from? I've found the Rugbypass data to be pretty poor.

https://super.rugby/superrugby/fixtures/archives/2021-super-rugby-aotearoa/

The data is from Opta, so the stats provider that NZ rugby uses.

[bobily2]

@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.

He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.

I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.

[Tim]

@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.

Yeah, there will be guys who come off the bench late in the game, and will probably get relatively more run metres and less tackles because of that.

[Bones]

@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

He's had fuck-up game time so far,

Damning.

[gt12]

@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.

He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.

I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.

I love this data btw, it's really cool!

[bobily2]

@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.

He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.

I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.

I love this data btw, it's really cool!

Great, I'll try and share little snippets of it where it might be relevant. I don't have much for NPC or All Blacks, unfortunately. But if people find reliable sources for these I can see if i can do something with those too.

[Bovidae]

Tu'inukuafe, and Laulala for that matter, played much better when they were at the Chiefs. So did Manu.

I would be investing time into de Groot and Norris over the next 2 seasons.

[sparky]

@tim I rate both De Groot and Hodgman, Bower less so. Karl T is a strength man but doesn't offer much with the ball in hand.

[ploughboy]

really hoping moli can get back on field. i thing he is listed as a loosehead at chiefs. norris needs to improve scrumming and was second pick for waikato at loosehead. great prospect great workrate but improvements needed to get to next level

[bobily2]

@sparky said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:

@tim I rate both De Groot and Hodgman, Bower less so. Karl T is a strength man but doesn't offer much with the ball in hand.

Karl T does actually seem to be okay on attack - he just doesn't carry as often as some of the props. Similarly, he doesn't make many tackles. Presumably he needs to keep working on his fitness.

As much as I like the guy, unless he is winning scrums, there doesn't seem to be much reason to be picking him ahead of some of these other options e.g. Hodgman.

[Bones]

@bobily2 yeah, similar to Franks at the end of his career - unless he's absolutely smashing it at scrum time instead of just being fairly reliable, there's no point unless nobody else can be fairly reliable.

[mariner4life]

Ypu could always rely on Franks to move bodies at ruck time. He was really excellent at it

[Bones]

@mariner4life if he got there