Black Clash
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There are a number of schoolboys who are good enough to play both 1st XV rugby and 1st XI cricket. The U19 WC is only every 2 years so I guess the NZ team plays Aust and other teams in those other years.
@bovidae said in Black Clash:
There are a number of schoolboys who are good enough to play both 1st XV rugby and 1st XI cricket. The U19 WC is only every 2 years so I guess the NZ team plays Aust and other teams in those other years.
Not often. NZC do like the ICC free ride of a fully paid for (with other people's money) U19 world cup. But dont do much U19s in between, if ever these days, 'too expensive'. Except for the last tournament in 2020, when coincidentally someone important's son was in that team. They played heaps of lead ups in 2019. Looks like Ruben Love benefited from that and got one of those series, but didnt make world cup.
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@bovidae said in Black Clash:
There are a number of schoolboys who are good enough to play both 1st XV rugby and 1st XI cricket. The U19 WC is only every 2 years so I guess the NZ team plays Aust and other teams in those other years.
Not often. NZC do like the ICC free ride of a fully paid for (with other people's money) U19 world cup. But dont do much U19s in between, if ever these days, 'too expensive'. Except for the last tournament in 2020, when coincidentally someone important's son was in that team. They played heaps of lead ups in 2019. Looks like Ruben Love benefited from that and got one of those series, but didnt make world cup.
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@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
I find it easier to believe that Bond was just trying to avoid both an injury and a Harmison style delivery and just get it on the pitch than that they were able to take Vettori into the deep with ease the way they did. Most international cricketers will tell you the biggest step up between club and FC and then FC to test is quality spin (along with extreme pace) and even at his age the drift and flight of Vettori would not be something any of them had seen before even at U19 level.
The best part was seeing Bond and Oram still moving pretty well through their actions in their mid 40s given their history with back injuries.
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@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
I find it easier to believe that Bond was just trying to avoid both an injury and a Harmison style delivery and just get it on the pitch than that they were able to take Vettori into the deep with ease the way they did. Most international cricketers will tell you the biggest step up between club and FC and then FC to test is quality spin (along with extreme pace) and even at his age the drift and flight of Vettori would not be something any of them had seen before even at U19 level.
The best part was seeing Bond and Oram still moving pretty well through their actions in their mid 40s given their history with back injuries.
@rotated said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
I find it easier to believe that Bond was just trying to avoid both an injury and a Harmison style delivery and just get it on the pitch than that they were able to take Vettori into the deep with ease the way they did. Most international cricketers will tell you the biggest step up between club and FC and then FC to test is quality spin (along with extreme pace) and even at his age the drift and flight of Vettori would not be something any of them had seen before even at U19 level.
The best part was seeing Bond and Oram still moving pretty well through their actions in their mid 40s given their history with back injuries.
Yeah and again, I know these guys are years past their best but there has to be some kind of gentleman’s agreement to make the games reasonably close ( as I think they all have been )
I’d have expected more of this to be honest, I wonder how fast Bond was actually bowling ?
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@rotated said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
I find it easier to believe that Bond was just trying to avoid both an injury and a Harmison style delivery and just get it on the pitch than that they were able to take Vettori into the deep with ease the way they did. Most international cricketers will tell you the biggest step up between club and FC and then FC to test is quality spin (along with extreme pace) and even at his age the drift and flight of Vettori would not be something any of them had seen before even at U19 level.
The best part was seeing Bond and Oram still moving pretty well through their actions in their mid 40s given their history with back injuries.
Yeah and again, I know these guys are years past their best but there has to be some kind of gentleman’s agreement to make the games reasonably close ( as I think they all have been )
I’d have expected more of this to be honest, I wonder how fast Bond was actually bowling ?
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@rotated said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
I find it easier to believe that Bond was just trying to avoid both an injury and a Harmison style delivery and just get it on the pitch than that they were able to take Vettori into the deep with ease the way they did. Most international cricketers will tell you the biggest step up between club and FC and then FC to test is quality spin (along with extreme pace) and even at his age the drift and flight of Vettori would not be something any of them had seen before even at U19 level.
The best part was seeing Bond and Oram still moving pretty well through their actions in their mid 40s given their history with back injuries.
Yeah and again, I know these guys are years past their best but there has to be some kind of gentleman’s agreement to make the games reasonably close ( as I think they all have been )
Doesn't Cricket always bat first in this and then Flemming has the hardest job of managing next 20 overs to make a specticle of it? He essentially determines the outcome
Or am I wrong?
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@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@rotated said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
I find it easier to believe that Bond was just trying to avoid both an injury and a Harmison style delivery and just get it on the pitch than that they were able to take Vettori into the deep with ease the way they did. Most international cricketers will tell you the biggest step up between club and FC and then FC to test is quality spin (along with extreme pace) and even at his age the drift and flight of Vettori would not be something any of them had seen before even at U19 level.
The best part was seeing Bond and Oram still moving pretty well through their actions in their mid 40s given their history with back injuries.
Yeah and again, I know these guys are years past their best but there has to be some kind of gentleman’s agreement to make the games reasonably close ( as I think they all have been )
Doesn't Cricket always bat first in this and then Flemming has the hardest job of managing next 20 overs to make a specticle of it? He essentially determines the outcome
Or am I wrong?
@hooroo said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@rotated said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
I find it easier to believe that Bond was just trying to avoid both an injury and a Harmison style delivery and just get it on the pitch than that they were able to take Vettori into the deep with ease the way they did. Most international cricketers will tell you the biggest step up between club and FC and then FC to test is quality spin (along with extreme pace) and even at his age the drift and flight of Vettori would not be something any of them had seen before even at U19 level.
The best part was seeing Bond and Oram still moving pretty well through their actions in their mid 40s given their history with back injuries.
Yeah and again, I know these guys are years past their best but there has to be some kind of gentleman’s agreement to make the games reasonably close ( as I think they all have been )
Doesn't Cricket always bat first in this and then Flemming has the hardest job of managing next 20 overs to make a specticle of it? He essentially determines the outcome
Or am I wrong?
For sure get it to the final over reasonably close - Team Cricket with the bat always fart around the first few overs to waste time (unless Flems issues with left arm seam really do extend to someone of Richie's quality).
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@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@rotated said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
I find it easier to believe that Bond was just trying to avoid both an injury and a Harmison style delivery and just get it on the pitch than that they were able to take Vettori into the deep with ease the way they did. Most international cricketers will tell you the biggest step up between club and FC and then FC to test is quality spin (along with extreme pace) and even at his age the drift and flight of Vettori would not be something any of them had seen before even at U19 level.
The best part was seeing Bond and Oram still moving pretty well through their actions in their mid 40s given their history with back injuries.
Yeah and again, I know these guys are years past their best but there has to be some kind of gentleman’s agreement to make the games reasonably close ( as I think they all have been )
Doesn't Cricket always bat first in this and then Flemming has the hardest job of managing next 20 overs to make a specticle of it? He essentially determines the outcome
Or am I wrong?
@hooroo said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@rotated said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
I find it easier to believe that Bond was just trying to avoid both an injury and a Harmison style delivery and just get it on the pitch than that they were able to take Vettori into the deep with ease the way they did. Most international cricketers will tell you the biggest step up between club and FC and then FC to test is quality spin (along with extreme pace) and even at his age the drift and flight of Vettori would not be something any of them had seen before even at U19 level.
The best part was seeing Bond and Oram still moving pretty well through their actions in their mid 40s given their history with back injuries.
Yeah and again, I know these guys are years past their best but there has to be some kind of gentleman’s agreement to make the games reasonably close ( as I think they all have been )
Doesn't Cricket always bat first in this and then Flemming has the hardest job of managing next 20 overs to make a specticle of it? He essentially determines the outcome
Or am I wrong?
Partly that and partly selecting a few decent actual cricketers for the rugby side.
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For all the hype and banter, I wouldn't read much into the result of any of the matches. Team Cricket kept three slips in for the about the first five overs. Some of the Team Cricket bouncers would have struggled to hit a batsman standing on the batsman's shoulders...
If McCullum and Devcich had played for Team Cricket, the match would have been as one sided as it would be if they all played a Black Clash game of rugby...
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Chris Harris in one of these could be a bit of fun if he's still got it.
@godder said in Black Clash:
Chris Harris in one of these could be a bit of fun if he's still got it.
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
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@godder said in Black Clash:
Chris Harris in one of these could be a bit of fun if he's still got it.
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@godder said in Black Clash:
Chris Harris in one of these could be a bit of fun if he's still got it.
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
lol at yet another shit box score take from you
His job was not to score hundreds or fucking take bags
His job was to bat at the death, find the gap, and tick the score over. Being not out in 30% of his digs shows he probably did that well.
With the ball he was supposed to bowl quick cheap over after quick cheap over. And be a gun in the field.Canny fucking cricketer who would still be in our T20 team these days i reckon. Probably doesn't make the 50-over side in the modern game. But who knows?
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@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@godder said in Black Clash:
Chris Harris in one of these could be a bit of fun if he's still got it.
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
lol at yet another shit box score take from you
His job was not to score hundreds or fucking take bags
His job was to bat at the death, find the gap, and tick the score over. Being not out in 30% of his digs shows he probably did that well.
With the ball he was supposed to bowl quick cheap over after quick cheap over. And be a gun in the field.Canny fucking cricketer who would still be in our T20 team these days i reckon. Probably doesn't make the 50-over side in the modern game. But who knows?
@mariner4life said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@godder said in Black Clash:
Chris Harris in one of these could be a bit of fun if he's still got it.
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
lol at yet another shit box score take from you
His job was not to score hundreds or fucking take bags
His job was to bat at the death, find the gap, and tick the score over. Being not out in 30% of his digs shows he probably did that well.
With the ball he was supposed to bowl quick cheap over after quick cheap over. And be a gun in the field.Canny fucking cricketer who would still be in our T20 team these days i reckon. Probably doesn't make the 50-over side in the modern game. But who knows?
I never said he was terrible, I said he had modest returns. He was an ok player in his day and we often lacked those.
Besides, after your assertion that Matthew Hayden was a flat track bully I’m not sure I’ve paid too much attention to your cricket talk to be honest.
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@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@godder said in Black Clash:
Chris Harris in one of these could be a bit of fun if he's still got it.
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
lol at yet another shit box score take from you
His job was not to score hundreds or fucking take bags
His job was to bat at the death, find the gap, and tick the score over. Being not out in 30% of his digs shows he probably did that well.
With the ball he was supposed to bowl quick cheap over after quick cheap over. And be a gun in the field.Canny fucking cricketer who would still be in our T20 team these days i reckon. Probably doesn't make the 50-over side in the modern game. But who knows?
@mariner4life gilly and Michael Vaughan ( whose been excellent) mentioned him the other day, with a tone of definite irreverence. Gilly saying often he tried to smash him out of the ground but seldom could and came unstuck on more than one occasion.
It was nice to hear.
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@godder said in Black Clash:
Chris Harris in one of these could be a bit of fun if he's still got it.
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/batting/BattingBestAggregateForPosition_ODI.asp
Does that display No. 7?
Harry says fuck you, regardless!
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@mn5 said in Black Clash:
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/batting/BattingBestAggregateForPosition_ODI.asp
Does that display No. 7?
Harry says fuck you, regardless!
@chris-b said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/batting/BattingBestAggregateForPosition_ODI.asp
Does that display No. 7?
Harry says fuck you, regardless!
Well yeah cos he played so many innings there.
He’s actually bloody good on the radio too I’ll give him that……but you know let’s be realistic about his place in Black Caps history and all of that
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@chris-b said in Black Clash:
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
Harry sure was a hero for someone who gave such modest returns. One hundy and one Michelle in 250 ODIs !!!!
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/batting/BattingBestAggregateForPosition_ODI.asp
Does that display No. 7?
Harry says fuck you, regardless!
Well yeah cos he played so many innings there.
He’s actually bloody good on the radio too I’ll give him that……but you know let’s be realistic about his place in Black Caps history and all of that
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MN5 just doesn't understand roles.
"I never said he was terrible, I said he had modest returns."
Modest returns at stats relatively irrelevant to his role, like wondering what all the fuss was with Shane Bond when he has zero run outs from backward point. Or zero rescued run chases.
Anyway. Also doesn't seem to understand difference between fan favourites from greats.
I thought the 90s was his thing?
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@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
@mn5 said in Black Clash:
@nzbloke said in Black Clash:
@crucial said in Black Clash:
This would be entertaining (Tom Walsh smashing it), Jordie bowling bouncers etc but these commentary idiots are just painfully unfunny.
Grant Elliot has come in to bat and they managed to say “hairy javelin” 3 times in ten seconds. Once might have been humorous……Top hitting from Tom Walsh, for a big fella he's pretty good in the field too - yeah, those commentators are trying too hard to be funny, so come across as pillocks.
This event is a really fun watch every year - we have all played at least some backyard cricket & a lot of the rugby players have played plenty of youth cricket, so they're always going to perform decently at least against the cricketers.
Yeah I’m not convinced. I still struggle with the fact an ex AB captain managed to hit Bondy for six, it was only 20 or so years ago he had Ponting, Gilly, Hayden and whoever else jumping and dodging and getting out during a fantastic six wicket spell
No doubt those cricketers are well past their best, unfortunately when we all get a bit older your reaction time isn't as good, not as quick around field, but that doesn't take away the huge amount of experience & cunning they have, Vettori is a good example of that - was really impressed with Bonds pace in his first few overs, then he looked like he hurt his back, that's when Read smashed him into the stands... both openers struggled a bit at the start against some very good pace & accuracy from Bond & Mills, but real credit to Read & Jordon putting on 100 partnership, showing composure & playing plenty of good cricket shots, setting up a great platform for the win.
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If they wanted to ensure it was close at the end of the game they could always bring in super sub Tuffey out of the sheds for a 14 ball doubly wubly over.
