All Blacks 2022
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i think the teams that have improved have done so because they have a clear game plan and normally one based on the type of players, simple. I feel our game plan is either unclear....or its not right for the type of players we pick..or its right for the backs but not the forward or visa versa
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
I haven't seen our game progress at all since Foster took over as head coach.
You can't have been looking very carefully since our game hasn't progressed since 2016 - 3 years before Foster took over.
Stale thinking and a reliance on established norms saw Foster appointed, Ireland will already understand the gameplan, (or lack thereof),
Ireland have worked out a gameplan that doesn't exist? Impressive by Farrell.
I wish them all the luck, it will consign Foster to the bin more quickly and hopefully welcome a Razor/Rangi combo a lot sooner.
Ah, you want the AB's to lose and will happily cheer the opposition? Sez it all really...
I think Victor, kiwi_expat is exactly the type of person that Kieran Crowley was talking about when he was spoke of arrogant kiwi supporters. One who believes that if someone beats the ABs it is because ABs are poor, not because teams like France and Ireland have very very good teams. And to be honest his name speaks of someone who probably is not an AB supporter, merely someone who lives in another country , and maybe even the type who could even post in different rugby sites under different names??:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I think Victor, kiwi_expat is exactly the type of person that Kieran Crowley was talking about when he was spoke of arrogant kiwi supporters. One who believes that if someone beats the ABs it is because ABs are poor, not because teams like France and Ireland have very very good teams.
Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive. To me the ABs were poor. The game plan was easily read and nullified by the opposition for the majority of the game. Skills execution under pressure were poor, as was the decision making.
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Don't we have a Fozzie thread somewhere?
Can we get this one back to discussing the 2022 ABs?After all the players are the ones that form the backbone here. Who do we think will no longer make the cut? Who will be held on to while someone is is given experience? Who will def be there?
The AB website lists 42! players as current squad (because of the messy end of the year). 26 forwards and 16 backs.
Here's the forwards as a starter.
Props
At Risk
Lomax
Ta'avao
de Groot
Bower
Moody
Tu'inukuafe
Laulala
TuungafasiI don't see any of these players as being must haves. This area of selection is(and should be) wide open. There are a few guys playing very well at the moment that could be the future.
Hooker
At Risk
AumuaWill be kept on
Taylor
ColesDefinite
Tuakei'ahoThe same four will probably stay.
Locks
Will be kept on
Whitelock
Retallick
S Barrett
Vai'i
LordGone
TuipulotuI don't see any changes here. I think they have invested in some new boys and will stick with them. Maybe add one more in to the squad if there is room through injury during the year.
Loose Forwards
At Risk
Blackadder
Frizell
JacobsenWill be kept on
Ioane
SotutuDefinite
Cane
Savea
PapaliiThree opensiders are the only must haves here. You could actually make a decent back three out of them.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
The search for a 6 that compliments Ardie at 8 continues.
Christ. Surely Fozzie can coach Akira to say something nice about how tall Ardie is looking?!!
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
The search for a 6 that compliments Ardie at 8 continues.
Christ. Surely Fozzie can coach Akira to say something nice about how tall Ardie is looking?!!
Typical south islander, put all the blame on Akira instead of the Tongan thug from your invitational XV.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
The search for a 6 that compliments Ardie at 8 continues.
Christ. Surely Fozzie can coach Akira to say something nice about how tall Ardie is looking?!!
Typical south islander, put all the blame on Akira instead of the Tongan thug from your invitational XV.
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@nepia I'm blaming Fozzie!
Notable that Toddy's nicely-brought-up and polite son, got the inside running late in the season.
"Woah, shiny boots, Ardie!"
- Ethan Blackadder.
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
@nepia I'm blaming Fozzie!
Notable that Toddy's nicely-brought-up and polite son, got the inside running late in the season.
"Woah, shiny boots, Ardie!"
- Ethan Blackadder.
Did he get injured against Ireland as he didn't play against the best team of the tour? (Which in hindsight was a good game to miss).
Nice deflection away from your imported Ta$man thug though.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
@nepia I'm blaming Fozzie!
Notable that Toddy's nicely-brought-up and polite son, got the inside running late in the season.
"Woah, shiny boots, Ardie!"
- Ethan Blackadder.
Did he get injured against Ireland as he didn't play against the best team of the tour? (Which in hindsight was a good game to miss).
Nice deflection away from your imported Ta$man thug though.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
@nepia He was a highlander when doing his thuggy stuff.
He's a Ta$man-ian 365 days per year. Learnt his thuggery in Nelson, unleashed it on the poor unsuspecting good folks in Dunedin.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
@nepia He was a highlander when doing his thuggy stuff.
He's a Ta$man-ian 365 days per year. Learnt his thuggery in Nelson, unleashed it on the poor unsuspecting good folks in Dunedin.
@nepia i've always liked you
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@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
@nepia He was a highlander when doing his thuggy stuff.
He's a Ta$man-ian 365 days per year. Learnt his thuggery in Nelson, unleashed it on the poor unsuspecting good folks in Dunedin.
@nepia He's an import and hasn't spent enough time within our borders for the good influence to soak right through.
You would have thought Mitch Hunt's goodness would have radiated far enough to keep Shannon under control, but apparently not.
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@nepia He's an import and hasn't spent enough time within our borders for the good influence to soak right through.
You would have thought Mitch Hunt's goodness would have radiated far enough to keep Shannon under control, but apparently not.
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
@nepia He's an import and hasn't spent enough time within our borders for the good influence to soak right through.
You would have thought Mitch Hunt's goodness would have radiated far enough to keep Shannon under control, but apparently not.
Jesus, he's been in Ta$man for 7 years, damn I feel sorry for you primary school teachers if 7 years isn't enough to teach someone right from wrong.
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@nepia He's an import and hasn't spent enough time within our borders for the good influence to soak right through.
You would have thought Mitch Hunt's goodness would have radiated far enough to keep Shannon under control, but apparently not.
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
He's an import
nooooo
seriously?
an import? In the South Central Vikings?
I for one am shocked. Shocked i tell you
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Here's the backs.
Halfback
At Risk
TJPWill be kept on
Christie
WeberDefinites
SmithAll our eggs are in the speed basket here.
First-fives
Gone
DMacDefinites
B Barrett
MoungaWould like to see one of the bubbling under 10s in Super put their hand up and I think we need a third option for touring. There is an open spot.
Midfield
At Risk
Ennor
Definite
ALB
R IoaneWill be kept on
Tupaea
HaviliHavili will probably stay around as utility but room for others to show their wares. (RTS, post injury Goodhue). We still aren't fixed in this area but I don't buy into the obsession that we need to settle on two and play them all the time.
Three-quarters
At Risk
BridgeWill be kept on
ReeceDefinite
Jordan
J BarrettWhen you drop Reiko into the midfield box we are surprisingly light on options here. Wingers can sometimes appear as a flash iin the pan at the right time and there are a few around that could hit form to do just that. If we want Jordie to use his attacking instincts like Bender used to then we need Jordan to play as a second fullback. Strike winger should be whoever is on a hot streak and can finish attacks in traffic. That removes Bridge from the equation IMO.
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Here's the backs.
Halfback
At Risk
TJPWill be kept on
Christie
WeberDefinites
SmithAll our eggs are in the speed basket here.
First-fives
Gone
DMacDefinites
B Barrett
MoungaWould like to see one of the bubbling under 10s in Super put their hand up and I think we need a third option for touring. There is an open spot.
Midfield
At Risk
Ennor
Definite
ALB
R IoaneWill be kept on
Tupaea
HaviliHavili will probably stay around as utility but room for others to show their wares. (RTS, post injury Goodhue). We still aren't fixed in this area but I don't buy into the obsession that we need to settle on two and play them all the time.
Three-quarters
At Risk
BridgeWill be kept on
ReeceDefinite
Jordan
J BarrettWhen you drop Reiko into the midfield box we are surprisingly light on options here. Wingers can sometimes appear as a flash iin the pan at the right time and there are a few around that could hit form to do just that. If we want Jordie to use his attacking instincts like Bender used to then we need Jordan to play as a second fullback. Strike winger should be whoever is on a hot streak and can finish attacks in traffic. That removes Bridge from the equation IMO.
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see one of the bubbling under 10s in Super put their hand up and I think we need a third option for touring. There is an open spot.
I'd like Perofeta to get that third 10 position, it looks like he's matured a lot and it's paying dividends for the Blues.
There is a lot to like about Ruben Love aswell but I don't think he will be in the picture until after the World Cup. He's still got plenty of growing to do.
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Here's the backs.
Halfback
At Risk
TJPWill be kept on
Christie
WeberDefinites
SmithAll our eggs are in the speed basket here.
First-fives
Gone
DMacDefinites
B Barrett
MoungaWould like to see one of the bubbling under 10s in Super put their hand up and I think we need a third option for touring. There is an open spot.
Midfield
At Risk
Ennor
Definite
ALB
R IoaneWill be kept on
Tupaea
HaviliHavili will probably stay around as utility but room for others to show their wares. (RTS, post injury Goodhue). We still aren't fixed in this area but I don't buy into the obsession that we need to settle on two and play them all the time.
Three-quarters
At Risk
BridgeWill be kept on
ReeceDefinite
Jordan
J BarrettWhen you drop Reiko into the midfield box we are surprisingly light on options here. Wingers can sometimes appear as a flash iin the pan at the right time and there are a few around that could hit form to do just that. If we want Jordie to use his attacking instincts like Bender used to then we need Jordan to play as a second fullback. Strike winger should be whoever is on a hot streak and can finish attacks in traffic. That removes Bridge from the equation IMO.
@crucial Bit early to call, but i don't see ho Tupaea's woeful defence can keep him in the discussion and Havili isn't exactly setting the world on fire to assuage concerns about his Test form.
Of all positions, the midfield is the most contentious an open. Only ALB is guaranteed, RIoane by virtue of being a guaranteed winger if not centre.
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@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see one of the bubbling under 10s in Super put their hand up and I think we need a third option for touring. There is an open spot.
I'd like Perofeta to get that third 10 position, it looks like he's matured a lot and it's paying dividends for the Blues.
There is a lot to like about Ruben Love aswell but I don't think he will be in the picture until after the World Cup. He's still got plenty of growing to do.
@canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see one of the bubbling under 10s in Super put their hand up and I think we need a third option for touring. There is an open spot.
I'd like Perofeta to get that third 10 position, he's looked bloody good this year and has seemed to have matured.
I'd like that too if he can see more time in the 10 jersey once BB comes back.
I don't see Gatland or Ioane as options in black at the moment
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@canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Would like to see one of the bubbling under 10s in Super put their hand up and I think we need a third option for touring. There is an open spot.
I'd like Perofeta to get that third 10 position, he's looked bloody good this year and has seemed to have matured.
I'd like that too if he can see more time in the 10 jersey once BB comes back.
I don't see Gatland or Ioane as options in black at the moment
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The point of listing players like that is to see how difficult it actually is to put together a XV at this stage.
I would only ink in maybe 8 players with question marks around some.
Absolute definite would be few, maybe Cane, Smith, ALB, Jordie, Jordan.
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@crucial i was going to ask how chiefs fans though Ioane was going
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial i was going to ask how chiefs fans though Ioane was going
I think I share what looks to be the coaches view that he isn't as solid as Gatland but is better at setting the backs up.
I like some of what he does, running on to the ball, long passing game etc but not sure if the ABs can use that in the test environment. -
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@crucial i was going to ask how chiefs fans though Ioane was going
I think I share what looks to be the coaches view that he isn't as solid as Gatland but is better at setting the backs up.
I like some of what he does, running on to the ball, long passing game etc but not sure if the ABs can use that in the test environment.@crucial sounds like you're going through exactly what we did...why we brought in Gatland and Hunt to be something different to Ioane, hope it doesn't end up like it did with us
