All Blacks 2022
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
This logic really makes zero sense to me. It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there. Because he's played loads of other games in a different position and looked good.
Let's throw Jordie on the wing, Jordan isn't ready and we might destroy his career.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Can't believe people are pumping for a guy who can't even do his post try ball punch properly, is that even the kind of guy we want?
If you are gonna score a try, either walk back like it ain't no thing or get your celebration right, an embarrassing airshot like that has no place on a rugby field, NO PLACE I TELLS YA!
Better off not scoring at all if you can't get it right after...sheesh, the embarrassment
Not to mention people with no link to the Mako doing the "Fins up"!
Begging for us to buy them!!!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Can't believe people are pumping for a guy who can't even do his post try ball punch properly, is that even the kind of guy we want?
If you are gonna score a try, either walk back like it ain't no thing or get your celebration right, an embarrassing airshot like that has no place on a rugby field, NO PLACE I TELLS YA!
Better off not scoring at all if you can't get it right after...sheesh, the embarrassment
Not to mention people with no link to the Mako doing the "Fins up"!
Begging for us to buy them!!!
did he do a shark fin?
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For those of you up north.
https://www.allblacks.com/news/all-blacks-in-northland-for-matariki-2022/
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph the depends on the role you see for the 23 jersey. If it's purely having a back up if someone goes down, thrn yeah I guess.
But if it's actually for impact late, then no.
If the back 3 is Jordie, Jordan and Reece, I’d give the 23 jersey to someone like Caleb Clarke or a bolter like Fainganuku or RTS.
If all of Beaudie, Mo’unga and Jordie are in the 23 then you don’t need a guy like Havili
Generally agree, but there is a logic in having DH in the 23 for the 1st Test as a safe option. Def. be good to have a bolter or two in the later ones.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
logic in having DH in the 23 for the 1st Test as a safe option
logic? how? i don't get this. how is a player proven to be not to standard considered a safe choice just because he has pulled on a jersey before?
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@FakatavaFuture said in All Blacks 2022:
wouldn't be against Jordie wearing 12 in the first test, Will at fb
Surely the best option is to move Jordie there later in the game?
There will be games where he has to play fullback as we aren’t deep there and injury/unavailability etc will mean he is the best option. We need some consistency in the midfield and having him come in and out at 12 game by game won’t achieve that.
We also need to see RTS at this level so in one game he will need to start as he isn’t a bench option.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Surely the best option is to move Jordie there later in the game?
we all say stuff like this a lot
but
what i don't like about this move is, you are making 2 changes with one sub. You break the rhythm of the midfield and the back 3 at the same time.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Surely the best option is to move Jordie there later in the game?
we all say stuff like this a lot
but
what i don't like about this move is, you are making 2 changes with one sub. You break the rhythm of the midfield and the back 3 at the same time.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Surely the best option is to move Jordie there later in the game?
we all say stuff like this a lot
but
what i don't like about this move is, you are making 2 changes with one sub. You break the rhythm of the midfield and the back 3 at the same time.
It happens all the time if you have a 15/10 or 10/15.
15 also has a good view of what's happening and can then exploit things that he sees. -
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or Goodhue -
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or Goodhue@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or Goodhuei would like to subscribe to your newsletter
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If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or Goodhue@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueNow do the forwards
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If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or Goodhue@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueThat's quite a change from your usual Cantablacks, you must have misplaced your eye patch.
Agree though, the only other backline I'd accept is Goodhue at 12 with Reece on the bench and Jordie/Jordan at 15/14.
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If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or Goodhue@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or Goodhuepfft
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueNow do the forwards
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueNow do the forwards
J. Moody, C. Taylor, O. Franks, S. Whitelock, L. Romano, S. Barrett, E. Blackadder, C. Grace
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@FakatavaFuture said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 wouldn't imagine rts would get a hit out for the Maori as he's Samoan
Yep, well have never seen him or anything, so didn't know his genealogy, as I don't watch league so didn't even know who he was until he came to rugby.
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@Dan54 I think they are too risk adverse to start TVS. They will probably go with those who have started before including Tupea and Goodhue.
With TVS he was knock out of the game against the chiefs because PGS was running down his throat. Still not convince with his size at second five although most of choices are shaded by Nonu or SBW size.
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 I think they are too risk adverse to start TVS. They will probably go with those who have started before including Tupea and Goodhue.
With TVS he was knock out of the game against the chiefs because PGS was running down his throat. Still not convince with his size at second five although most of choices are shaded by Nonu or SBW size.
I actually think Irish tests are when the odd risk will be taken, before RC?
I can't see JB at 12, surely be toss up between QT and RTS?
That comes with a caveat, that I know no more than anyone else on here so I could be miles off. But listening to those that are a lot closer to things than me, that seems to be suggestions. -
Antway off top off head, and could well be miles of here is 23 for first test?
Ethan de Groot
Codie Taylor
Nepo Laulala
Sam Whitelock
Brodie Reattlick
Akira Ioane
Sam Cane
Ardie SaveaAaron Smith
Beaden Barrett
Sevu Reece
Quinn Tupaea
Reiko Ioane
Will Jordan
Jordie BarrettSamisoni Taukei'aho
George Bower
Ofa Tuunafasi
Scott Barrett
Luke Jacobson
Brad Weber
Richie Mounga
Jack GoodhueI say that with no confidence, and can see Papal'i on bench if he fit, maybe swap 2 and 16 and could have RTS on bench, QT covers 13 and Reiko wing?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
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Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Yes, that is the level of things
If they persist with the Cane / Ardie 7-8 then I’d have Akira at 6 and Sotutu on the bench. That’s even with a fit Papali’i and Blackadder.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
This logic really makes zero sense to me. It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there. Because he's played loads of other games in a different position and looked good.
Let's throw Jordie on the wing, Jordan isn't ready and we might destroy his career.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there.
The logic Foster will probably use, is it's less risky to pick a guy with 19 caps at Test level (and I thought he was OK, though nothing special) than a guy with 0 caps and under 10 games at the level below and pit him against one of the better midfields in world rugby.
