All Blacks 2022
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
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Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Yes, that is the level of things
If they persist with the Cane / Ardie 7-8 then I’d have Akira at 6 and Sotutu on the bench. That’s even with a fit Papali’i and Blackadder.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
This logic really makes zero sense to me. It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there. Because he's played loads of other games in a different position and looked good.
Let's throw Jordie on the wing, Jordan isn't ready and we might destroy his career.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there.
The logic Foster will probably use, is it's less risky to pick a guy with 19 caps at Test level (and I thought he was OK, though nothing special) than a guy with 0 caps and under 10 games at the level below and pit him against one of the better midfields in world rugby.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
logic in having DH in the 23 for the 1st Test as a safe option
logic? how? i don't get this. how is a player proven to be not to standard considered a safe choice just because he has pulled on a jersey before?
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
logic in having DH in the 23 for the 1st Test as a safe option
logic? how? i don't get this. how is a player proven to be not to standard considered a safe choice just because he has pulled on a jersey before?
I'm just pointing out that, for the coaches, there is see some logic in having a utility who can cover much of the backline and is familiar with the environment for a key 1st Test.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueNow do the forwards
J. Moody, C. Taylor, O. Franks, S. Whitelock, L. Romano, S. Barrett, E. Blackadder, C. Grace
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueNow do the forwards
J. Moody, C. Taylor, O. Franks, S. Whitelock, L. Romano, S. Barrett, E. Blackadder, C. Grace
Really? Franks over Bower?
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Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Yes, that is the level of things
If they persist with the Cane / Ardie 7-8 then I’d have Akira at 6 and Sotutu on the bench. That’s even with a fit Papali’i and Blackadder.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Yes, that is the level of things
If they persist with the Cane / Ardie 7-8 then I’d have Akira at 6 and Sotutu on the bench. That’s even with a fit Papali’i and Blackadder.
I will almost bet my balls he is, every rugby pundit etc I have heard etc have him in the squad, whether he gets on field against Irish is another story, but he will be in squad I really stronly suspect.
I will also be very surprised if the 3 loosies you name aren't in starting line up for first test, and have actually in my team that I was silly enough to put in here. -
Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Yes, that is the level of things
If they persist with the Cane / Ardie 7-8 then I’d have Akira at 6 and Sotutu on the bench. That’s even with a fit Papali’i and Blackadder.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Yes, that is the level of things
If they persist with the Cane / Ardie 7-8 then I’d have Akira at 6 and Sotutu on the bench. That’s even with a fit Papali’i and Blackadder.
There needs to be some fun given Bridge isn’t likely to be picked
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there.
The logic Foster will probably use, is it's less risky to pick a guy with 19 caps at Test level (and I thought he was OK, though nothing special) than a guy with 0 caps and under 10 games at the level below and pit him against one of the better midfields in world rugby.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there.
The logic Foster will probably use, is it's less risky to pick a guy with 19 caps at Test level (and I thought he was OK, though nothing special) than a guy with 0 caps and under 10 games at the level below and pit him against one of the better midfields in world rugby.
I'd be interested to know how many of that huge number of caps (just over a season of caps really) are at 12.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there.
The logic Foster will probably use, is it's less risky to pick a guy with 19 caps at Test level (and I thought he was OK, though nothing special) than a guy with 0 caps and under 10 games at the level below and pit him against one of the better midfields in world rugby.
I'd be interested to know how many of that huge number of caps (just over a season of caps really) are at 12.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
It's less risky to pick a guy who was a below average 12 (and is still nothing special) than a guy who actually looks more than comfortable there.
The logic Foster will probably use, is it's less risky to pick a guy with 19 caps at Test level (and I thought he was OK, though nothing special) than a guy with 0 caps and under 10 games at the level below and pit him against one of the better midfields in world rugby.
I'd be interested to know how many of that huge number of caps (just over a season of caps really) are at 12.
Dunno. but a whole lot more than Jordie, RTS or the still-green QT.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueNow do the forwards
J. Moody, C. Taylor, O. Franks, S. Whitelock, L. Romano, S. Barrett, E. Blackadder, C. Grace
Really? Franks over Bower?
@ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueNow do the forwards
J. Moody, C. Taylor, O. Franks, S. Whitelock, L. Romano, S. Barrett, E. Blackadder, C. Grace
Really? Franks over Bower?
Franks will score a try if selected. Bower on the bench
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
Does it? It helps his chances but I still think he’ll struggle to squeeze in
What loosies do you think they’ll pick?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
Does it? It helps his chances but I still think he’ll struggle to squeeze in
What loosies do you think they’ll pick?
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
Does it? It helps his chances but I still think he’ll struggle to squeeze in
What loosies do you think they’ll pick?
Agree.
With Cane and Savea dead certainties and Papali’i very likely, they do have a lot of bases covered.
Add Ioane and Sotutu who the AB coaches seem to play as specialist 6 and 8 respectively, there is the opportunity to select another specialist 6 or 8. One that has a bit of size and loves to run the ball.
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueNow do the forwards
J. Moody, C. Taylor, O. Franks, S. Whitelock, L. Romano, S. Barrett, E. Blackadder, C. Grace
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
If all are fit, I hope to see
9-Smith
10-Barrett
11-Clarke
12-Barrett
13-Ioane
14-Reece
15-Jordan21-Christie
22-Mo’unga
23-Tupaea or GoodhueNow do the forwards
J. Moody, C. Taylor, O. Franks, S. Whitelock, L. Romano, S. Barrett, E. Blackadder, C. Grace
Never gets old ...
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Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Yes, that is the level of things
If they persist with the Cane / Ardie 7-8 then I’d have Akira at 6 and Sotutu on the bench. That’s even with a fit Papali’i and Blackadder.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Given injury who misses out to Frizell?
Don't have a problem with his selection if there's a couple out and he's the best of the rest.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
Does it? It helps his chances but I still think he’ll struggle to squeeze in
What loosies do you think they’ll pick?
Agree.
With Cane and Savea dead certainties and Papali’i very likely, they do have a lot of bases covered.
Add Ioane and Sotutu who the AB coaches seem to play as specialist 6 and 8 respectively, there is the opportunity to select another specialist 6 or 8. One that has a bit of size and loves to run the ball.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
Does it? It helps his chances but I still think he’ll struggle to squeeze in
What loosies do you think they’ll pick?
Agree.
With Cane and Savea dead certainties and Papali’i very likely, they do have a lot of bases covered.
Add Ioane and Sotutu who the AB coaches seem to play as specialist 6 and 8 respectively, there is the opportunity to select another specialist 6 or 8. One that has a bit of size and loves to run the ball.
That bait's a bit off.
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Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
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Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
I think with all the loosies pretty much established (comparatively) then it'd be a good idea to plump for MMT or Sowakula, I think Robinson will just be unlucky, especially with Vaai showing similar abilities.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
I think with all the loosies pretty much established (comparatively) then it'd be a good idea to plump for MMT or Sowakula, I think Robinson will just be unlucky, especially with Vaai showing similar abilities.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
I think with all the loosies pretty much established (comparatively) then it'd be a good idea to plump for MMT or Sowakula, I think Robinson will just be unlucky, especially with Vaai showing similar abilities.
I like the idea of having like for like replacements, so injuries don’t alter the pattern
Cane & Papali’i play a similar role
Savea & Sotutu play a similar role
Akira & ?Ball in hand Mikaele-Tu’u is the most similar to Akira. Get him in, do some coaching, and improve the rest of his game
There’s still plenty of versatility with those guys too. For instance I expect Papali’i to start a test or two at 6 etc etc
