All Blacks 2022
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Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Yes, that is the level of things
If they persist with the Cane / Ardie 7-8 then I’d have Akira at 6 and Sotutu on the bench. That’s even with a fit Papali’i and Blackadder.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Not that I think he’s in our top 6 loosies, but I hope Frizell gets selected just to see the melt down on here.
Given injury who misses out to Frizell?
Don't have a problem with his selection if there's a couple out and he's the best of the rest.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
Does it? It helps his chances but I still think he’ll struggle to squeeze in
What loosies do you think they’ll pick?
Agree.
With Cane and Savea dead certainties and Papali’i very likely, they do have a lot of bases covered.
Add Ioane and Sotutu who the AB coaches seem to play as specialist 6 and 8 respectively, there is the opportunity to select another specialist 6 or 8. One that has a bit of size and loves to run the ball.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim bugger - hopefully he can get a full preseason in for world cup season 2023.
Yeah. His absence virtually guarantees Jacobsen a squad spot now.
Does it? It helps his chances but I still think he’ll struggle to squeeze in
What loosies do you think they’ll pick?
Agree.
With Cane and Savea dead certainties and Papali’i very likely, they do have a lot of bases covered.
Add Ioane and Sotutu who the AB coaches seem to play as specialist 6 and 8 respectively, there is the opportunity to select another specialist 6 or 8. One that has a bit of size and loves to run the ball.
That bait's a bit off.
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Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
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Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
I think with all the loosies pretty much established (comparatively) then it'd be a good idea to plump for MMT or Sowakula, I think Robinson will just be unlucky, especially with Vaai showing similar abilities.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
I think with all the loosies pretty much established (comparatively) then it'd be a good idea to plump for MMT or Sowakula, I think Robinson will just be unlucky, especially with Vaai showing similar abilities.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Cane, Savea, Papalii, Ioane, Sotutu certainties. Three who can play 7, three who can play 8, two who can play 6.
With Vaa'i able to cover six, there may only be one spot left?
Frizell, Jacobson, Robinson competing for one spot?
I think with all the loosies pretty much established (comparatively) then it'd be a good idea to plump for MMT or Sowakula, I think Robinson will just be unlucky, especially with Vaai showing similar abilities.
I like the idea of having like for like replacements, so injuries don’t alter the pattern
Cane & Papali’i play a similar role
Savea & Sotutu play a similar role
Akira & ?Ball in hand Mikaele-Tu’u is the most similar to Akira. Get him in, do some coaching, and improve the rest of his game
There’s still plenty of versatility with those guys too. For instance I expect Papali’i to start a test or two at 6 etc etc
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Fucking Finau
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fucking Finau
Que?
Maybe it's a statement, mariner has pulled?
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Fucking Finau
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fucking Finau
I do like his aggression but not this year. We need to run out the ABXV to give him experience at the next level.
I believe they will pick Frizell. I wouldn’t, but they will.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fucking Finau
I do like his aggression but not this year. We need to run out the ABXV to give him experience at the next level.
I believe they will pick Frizell. I wouldn’t, but they will.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fucking Finau
I do like his aggression but not this year. We need to run out the ABXV to give him experience at the next level.
I believe they will pick Frizell. I wouldn’t, but they will.
Boooo
Boring
And frizell is shit
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fucking Finau
I do like his aggression but not this year. We need to run out the ABXV to give him experience at the next level.
I believe they will pick Frizell. I wouldn’t, but they will.
Boooo
Boring
And frizell is shit
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fucking Finau
I do like his aggression but not this year. We need to run out the ABXV to give him experience at the next level.
I believe they will pick Frizell. I wouldn’t, but they will.
Boooo
Boring
And frizell is shit
I dunno why, but they love having a few women beaters in the All Blacks.
MMT would be a selection I would be behind. That wont happen either though, I bet.
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MMT plays like a fitter Sione Lauaki. I’d get him in there this year.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fucking Finau
I do like his aggression but not this year. We need to run out the ABXV to give him experience at the next level.
I believe they will pick Frizell. I wouldn’t, but they will.
Boooo
Boring
And frizell is shit
I dunno why, but they love having a few women beaters in the All Blacks.
MMT would be a selection I would be behind. That wont happen either though, I bet.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
MMT would be a selection I would be behind. That wont happen either though, I bet.
Though we've got a good 6/7/8 pool, there's a good chance he'll be in the squad, I reckon. Gives him a taste and lets the coaches have a closer look and might make a bench slot for later Tests. Think he'll be on the EOYT as well. Hope so.
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In a few years time, when we are talking about Rieko as one of our best 13s, I’m planning on re-visiting this conversation.
I can understand the misgivings until this last year, when he has been the best 13 in NZ by a fucking mile.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
In a few years time, when we are talking about Rieko as one of our best 13s, I’m planning on re-visiting this conversation.
I can understand the misgivings until this last year, when he has been the best 13 in NZ by a fucking mile.
That’s roughly 1.6 km for those who prefer their distances in metric.
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@Tim and of those 3, Frizell is probably the least versatile, Jacobson the most versatile...so I think he's the other loosie.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim and of those 3, Frizell is probably the least versatile, Jacobson the most versatile...so I think he's the other loosie.
I would think Jacobson is close to a certainty, I also believe that 7 loosies will get picked.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
In a few years time, when we are talking about Rieko as one of our best 13s, I’m planning on re-visiting this conversation.
I can understand the misgivings until this last year, when he has been the best 13 in NZ by a fucking mile.
That’s roughly 1.6 km for those who prefer their distances in metric.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
In a few years time, when we are talking about Rieko as one of our best 13s, I’m planning on re-visiting this conversation.
I can understand the misgivings until this last year, when he has been the best 13 in NZ by a fucking mile.
That’s roughly 1.6 km for those who prefer their distances in metric.
Yep but I not sure how to convert a country mile, and I think Reiko is best be a country mile!!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim and of those 3, Frizell is probably the least versatile, Jacobson the most versatile...so I think he's the other loosie.
I would think Jacobson is close to a certainty, I also believe that 7 loosies will get picked.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim and of those 3, Frizell is probably the least versatile, Jacobson the most versatile...so I think he's the other loosie.
I would think Jacobson is close to a certainty, I also believe that 7 loosies will get picked.
Could even be 8 if they want to bring another option into the fold. More likely 7 with someone like Finau or MMT training with the squad (assuming neither eligible for NZM)
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim and of those 3, Frizell is probably the least versatile, Jacobson the most versatile...so I think he's the other loosie.
I would think Jacobson is close to a certainty, I also believe that 7 loosies will get picked.
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Last year they selected 5 locks and 7 loose forwards but might only decide on 4 locks, and as @Crucial says, have extra cover at loose forward. Lord will be the 5th lock if they go that way, but could also miss out.
Will Vaa'i be considered an option at 6 in the squad? If so, that might change the makeup of the loose forward mix and make Frizell surplus to requirements.
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36 players = 2 full teams less one outside back plus 7 'extras'
What I think will be close to the selection.
Props: Ofa Tuungafasi, Nepo Laulala, Ethan de Groot, Aiden Ross, George Bower, Alex Hodgman/ Angus Ta'avao
Hookers: Codie Taylor, Samisoni Taukei'aho, Dane Coles
Locks: Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, Josh Lord
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (c), Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Akira Ioane, Luke Jacobson, Hoskins Sotutu, (MMT/Finau/Grace/Frizzell)
Halfbacks: Aaron Smith, Finlay Christie, Folau Fakatava (Weber and TJ to NZ Maori)
First-fives: Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga, Stephen Perofeta
Midfield: Jack Goodhue, Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
Outside backs: Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Caleb Clarke, Jordie Barrett, Leicester Fainga'anuku
Room for one more. Either another prop or two of those bracketed loose forwards.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year they selected 5 locks and 7 loose forwards but might only decide on 4 locks, and as @Crucial says, have extra cover at loose forward. Lord will be the 5th lock if they go that way, but could also miss out.
Will Vaa'i be considered an option at 6 in the squad? If so, that might change the makeup of the loose forward mix and make Frizell surplus to requirements.
This is what I had a couple of days ago.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
Loose forwards: Sam Cane (c), Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Akira Ioane, Luke Jacobson, Hoskins Sotutu, (MMT/Finau/Grace/Frizzell)
I think that NZM may be a vehicle for some 'fringe' or 'surplus' squad members. eg My 5 locks included Lord but if he is NZM eligible it could be better from him to return to play via that path knowing he can switch back at a moments notice.
That would open up space for 2 of those bracketed loosies
