All Blacks 2022
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Jack on the bench wouldn't be bad.
Not sure Jack offers anything off the bench.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Jack on the bench wouldn't be bad.
Not sure Jack offers anything off the bench.
Yep. 18 tests and 17 as a starter. Start or not in the 23. QT / RTS / LF all offer more as an impact player. And there is options in terms of positional coverage too with those others.
Interestingly on those 17 tests he’s started, he’s partnered with Crotty, SBW, Laumape, ALB and Ioane.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
Christ on a bike, how good would
12 Laumape
look right now.
Considering he did nothing at test level not very?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
Christ on a bike, how good would
12 Laumape
look right now.
Considering he did nothing at test level not very?
Dusruspict!
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Wasn’t Foster saying Papali’i could cover blindside, not really starting him? Ioane surely has the inside running to start if he keeps on going the way he’s playing.
I have no doubt he could play at blindside, but i think our tactics change a bit if he starts then how we would play if Ioane starts. Quite different players.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
Christ on a bike, how good would
12 Laumape
look right now.
Considering he did nothing at test level not very?
Dusruspict!
@Bones yep, he gon' run thru sone Frenchmen now cos someone somewhere dissed his name!
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Wasn’t Foster saying Papali’i could cover blindside, not really starting him? Ioane surely has the inside running to start if he keeps on going the way he’s playing.
I have no doubt he could play at blindside, but i think our tactics change a bit if he starts then how we would play if Ioane starts. Quite different players.
@ACT-Crusader DP at blind would be pretty similar to Sean O'Brien. He was pretty handy.
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I also don't really get the angst about PGS. I think he's got a lot of really good qualities we've been severely lacking. Definitely put his hand up.
@Bones I guess the issue is, this coaching group do not seem like they can get the best out of thier players, and PGS looks like his best was 6+ weeks ago, however as you say, he does have alot of really good attributes and if they can get those out of him he looks a real weapon....
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I also don't really get the angst about PGS. I think he's got a lot of really good qualities we've been severely lacking. Definitely put his hand up.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
I also don't really get the angst about PGS. I think he's got a lot of really good qualities we've been severely lacking. Definitely put his hand up.
We probably focus so much on the loose forwards because it feels like there's nothing that can be done, or will be done by the coaches, to reduce the deficiencies of the tight five.
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@Bones I guess the issue is, this coaching group do not seem like they can get the best out of thier players, and PGS looks like his best was 6+ weeks ago, however as you say, he does have alot of really good attributes and if they can get those out of him he looks a real weapon....
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones I guess the issue is, this coaching group do not seem like they can get the best out of thier players, and PGS looks like his best was 6+ weeks ago, however as you say, he does have alot of really good attributes and if they can get those out of him he looks a real weapon....
That seems pretty harsh considering the rise of some new players last year and their continued improvement this year. OTOH - Akira, Christie, Taukieaho, Vaai, Lord, Blackadder, Tupaea, Jordan.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
I also don't really get the angst about PGS. I think he's got a lot of really good qualities we've been severely lacking. Definitely put his hand up.
We probably focus so much on the loose forwards because it feels like there's nothing that can be done, or will be done by the coaches, to reduce the deficiencies of the tight five.
@Tim TBH I think its the props that are the real issue and lack of mobility with ball carrying, ruck hitting and hard hitting defence, hopefully this is something they will be working on alot with the current lot to take some of the load off our locks and loosies allowing them to focus more on thier jobs instead of thiers + more
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones I guess the issue is, this coaching group do not seem like they can get the best out of thier players, and PGS looks like his best was 6+ weeks ago, however as you say, he does have alot of really good attributes and if they can get those out of him he looks a real weapon....
That seems pretty harsh considering the rise of some new players last year and their continued improvement this year. OTOH - Akira, Christie, Taukieaho, Vaai, Lord, Blackadder, Tupaea, Jordan.
@Bones you'd like to think players hit the field running when they make the ABs, rather than take time to bed in...
TBF I'd say ST, AI, WJ all looked the goods before making ABs, so is more continuation...I'll give you Christie though, I think he has thrived in the AB environment...Lord is a good prospect, so thats on them, but still some way off IMO
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Papalii is larger than your typical openside, and I said months ago I expected him to be used at 6 at some stage. More likely off the bench.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Papalii is larger than your typical openside, and I said months ago I expected him to be used at 6 at some stage. More likely off the bench.
Yep he one of the biggest of the loosies going around, I not suggesting he should be there, but would be ineteresting to see. Foster didn't say he would be there only they think they might like a look at him there.
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@Stargazer so chuffed for him! to come back from his ACL injury & achieve his Dream is great to see
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@Bones you'd like to think players hit the field running when they make the ABs, rather than take time to bed in...
TBF I'd say ST, AI, WJ all looked the goods before making ABs, so is more continuation...I'll give you Christie though, I think he has thrived in the AB environment...Lord is a good prospect, so thats on them, but still some way off IMO
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones you'd like to think players hit the field running when they make the ABs, rather than take time to bed in...
TBF I'd say ST, AI, WJ all looked the goods before making ABs, so is more continuation...I'll give you Christie though, I think he has thrived in the AB environment...Lord is a good prospect, so thats on them, but still some way off IMO
I think Taukieaho has come on leaps and bounds after making the AB's too, he's gone to another level. Jordan's game has been a lot tidier this year.
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@Tim TBH I think its the props that are the real issue and lack of mobility with ball carrying, ruck hitting and hard hitting defence, hopefully this is something they will be working on alot with the current lot to take some of the load off our locks and loosies allowing them to focus more on thier jobs instead of thiers + more
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim TBH I think its the props that are the real issue and lack of mobility with ball carrying, ruck hitting and hard hitting defence, hopefully this is something they will be working on alot with the current lot to take some of the load off our locks and loosies allowing them to focus more on thier jobs instead of thiers + more
Contrary to popular opinion, I think Bower has been showing really well around the park - he has certainly been hitting hard ball in hand. Just a little bit inconsistent at the moment.
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PGS is only there because Blackadder is injured, so I am not sure it is indicative of a change in strategy by the coaches in the loose forward mix (as implied by a couple of articles I read). I'd love to know what MMT's work-ons are.
It's a shame we don't have easier matches first up because then the coaches could have blooded these younger talents more easily.
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I don't think he has a shit's show of starting , but RTS is very lucky in that he plays between the starting 1st five and starting center - COMBINATIONS!!!!!!!
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
I don't think he has a shit's show of starting , but RTS is very lucky in that he plays between the starting 1st five and starting center - COMBINATIONS!!!!!!!
Frankly (get it?) I disagree. Definitely up there as a top 2 12 option.
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PGS is only there because Blackadder is injured, so I am not sure it is indicative of a change in strategy by the coaches in the loose forward mix (as implied by a couple of articles I read). I'd love to know what MMT's work-ons are.
It's a shame we don't have easier matches first up because then the coaches could have blooded these younger talents more easily.
