All Blacks 2022
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Honest question, what do we want from the AB's in 2022/23? How do they evolve to match the strengths of the NH teams and SA. How do we combat the rush defence, low error rates and suffocating play that is so effective against us.
I simply cannot see how the Foster led 2019-2021 ABs can magically change without some fundamental changes.
I would love to hear from the strategists on the Fern of what gameplan and players can help us climb back to the top.
We don’t even have stategists in the NZRFU let alone on the fern.
Too pick a couple of areas worth focussing on
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
Staying calm - don’t look for the ridiculous offload when it is not there, take the contact and look for the next phase, build more pressure, get the defense backpedaling.
More attack up the middle
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
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@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
NH refs, and going by the NH poster comments on here there is way less tolerance around high shots as they all want full reds.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
NH refs, and going by the NH poster comments on here there is way less tolerance around high shots as they all want full reds.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
NH refs, and going by the NH poster comments on here there is way less tolerance around high shots as they all want full reds.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nevorian said in All Blacks 2022:
Discipline - cannot afford to play against the Irish with only 14 players on the field, or any other team for that matter.
this aspect will be interesting (in a morbid way) how many Red Cards are we expecting in the 3 tests?
I'm picking at least 1 red and 3 or 4 yellows, I'd prefer zero, but cant see it...
NH refs, and going by the NH poster comments on here there is way less tolerance around high shots as they all want full reds.
i think i would roll my eyes less about cards for things like head contact if we were having lots of them for more trivial things, cards for things like "deliberate" knock ons or scrums being treated as almost the same as head contact
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@Crucial it will be be full reds anyway wont it, the 20 min card is gone isnt it?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial it will be be full reds anyway wont it, the 20 min card is gone isnt it?
Is it? I lose track of when these things are trials and when they finish.
They at least will have until August to target Canes knee from a side entry.
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i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
That 23 was:
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
Blackadder
Papali’i
Savea
Perenara
Barrett
Reece
ALB
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Coles, Karl T, Lomax, Vaa’i, Ioane, Christie, Mo’unga, Havili
————-Moody, Blackadder, Perenara, ALB, Lomax aren’t in the squad.
Papali’i is an unlikely starter you’d think given he’s a question mark to even play this weekend. Plus Cane will be back.
Vaa’i and Christie didn’t play any minutes in that game.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
That 23 was:
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
Blackadder
Papali’i
Savea
Perenara
Barrett
Reece
ALB
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Coles, Karl T, Lomax, Vaa’i, Ioane, Christie, Mo’unga, Havili
————-Moody, Blackadder, Perenara, ALB, Lomax aren’t in the squad.
Papali’i is an unlikely starter you’d think given he’s a question mark to even play this weekend. Plus Cane will be back.
Vaa’i and Christie didn’t play any minutes in that game.
@ACT-Crusader forced changes at 1, 6 and 12
7 is the skipper back in
bench backs i can easily see the same (unless DH gets the 12 shirt)
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
That 23 was:
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
Blackadder
Papali’i
Savea
Perenara
Barrett
Reece
ALB
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Coles, Karl T, Lomax, Vaa’i, Ioane, Christie, Mo’unga, Havili
————-Moody, Blackadder, Perenara, ALB, Lomax aren’t in the squad.
Papali’i is an unlikely starter you’d think given he’s a question mark to even play this weekend. Plus Cane will be back.
Vaa’i and Christie didn’t play any minutes in that game.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
That 23 was:
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
Blackadder
Papali’i
Savea
Perenara
Barrett
Reece
ALB
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Coles, Karl T, Lomax, Vaa’i, Ioane, Christie, Mo’unga, Havili
————-Moody, Blackadder, Perenara, ALB, Lomax aren’t in the squad.
Papali’i is an unlikely starter you’d think given he’s a question mark to even play this weekend. Plus Cane will be back.
Vaa’i and Christie didn’t play any minutes in that game.
So
MoodyBower
TaylorTaukei'aho
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
BlackadderIoane
Papali’iCane
Savea
PerenaraSmith
Barrett
Reece
ALBGoodhue/Havili
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Taylor, Karl T, Tu'ungafasi , Vaa’i, Papalii, Christie, Mo’unga, Perofeta
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No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
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No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
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No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
Agree on Perofeta.
With Clarke out again for the Blues this weekend, he won’t have played much footy come test team selection time so you’d think there is doubt.
The question will be if Clarke is their answer at 11, do they go for a like for like and put in Fainga’anuku or go with what the combo that played last year?
On front row, I think the pieces need to complement each other. I would have Sami with whatever combo includes Karl T, be it starting or bench. Sami is equally damaging as a starter or bench player.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
Agree on Perofeta.
With Clarke out again for the Blues this weekend, he won’t have played much footy come test team selection time so you’d think there is doubt.
The question will be if Clarke is their answer at 11, do they go for a like for like and put in Fainga’anuku or go with what the combo that played last year?
On front row, I think the pieces need to complement each other. I would have Sami with whatever combo includes Karl T, be it starting or bench. Sami is equally damaging as a starter or bench player.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Sami is equally damaging as a starter or bench player.
Fuck off with your covert plan to have Taylor start.:grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
(Samisoni is one of our few points of difference, so I'd be buggered if he's getting 20 off the bench)
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth Yep that's one thing i'd like to see change this season for the All Blacks - bench players picked for impact rather than just cover.
Just because a player is a better starter than another player doesn't mean they are a better bench option. I think the likes of Blackadder and Jacobson are better suited to starting than bench. Papali'i would need to prove he can add impact off of the bench too - he'd be straight into 7 if Cane wasn't available and he can theoretically cover all 3 loose forward roles but he also needs to show he can add impact off of the bench.
100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon. I absolutely baulk at the idea of players like Havili or Goodhue on the bench. It was under John Mitchell that I think we really led the world by using our bench tactically to provide impact rather than just injury cover - players like big Kees Meeuws coming on with 15 to go used to wreck havoc.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon.
We've had that luxury in the past, but I'm not too sure we do at this moment in time. Agree we need to use the bench better though.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon.
We've had that luxury in the past, but I'm not too sure we do at this moment in time. Agree we need to use the bench better though.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon.
We've had that luxury in the past, but I'm not too sure we do at this moment in time. Agree we need to use the bench better though.
i could believe we have the talent...i just think how we want to play or are trying to play doesn't always work with the talent we have
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No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
Lomu would have had great impact off the bench.
Samisoni is better than Taylor. So he should start.
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@Victor-Meldrew Given that we have been chasing games, rather than putting the opposition under pressure, that would be particularly stupid!
@Tim yeah we need to start winning games, we don't have the superior fitness and blockbusters on the bench to chase games at the moment, so agree, get out of the gate quicker.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Graham Henry's principles still hold strong
Win your set piece
Get over the gain line on first phaseEverything builds off that
Strong set pieces.
Win collisions on both sides of the ball
Bodies in motion
Make metres in the ruck.
Make teams fear our forwards again
Create opportunities for.our strike weapons, don't hand them the ball and wait for shit to happenIf we do this we'll win heaps, but in all honesty the results don't matter if I can see obvious improvements in the key areas
This!
I'd like more plays around the ruck with bodies in motion on both sides of the ball carrier, involving big runners (e.g., Clarke, Fainga'anuku) on the inside ball, and other big athletic bodies (such as Akira, PGS) on the edge outside.
If we can get enough big bodies carrying, we won't need props to do it, we can have a core role/clean job for the fatties, which is about all they are good for.
It won't happen, but I also want to see Sotutu out there playing as a receiver and distributor as he does for the Blues.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
It won't happen, but I also want to see Sotutu out there playing as a receiver and distributor as he does for the Blues.
Pre captain Read used to be very good at this role, not quite the deft skill of Sotutu but there is hope as they've done it before in recentish times.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
Lomu would have had great impact off the bench.
Samisoni is better than Taylor. So he should start.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
Lomu would have had great impact off the bench.
Would he though? The advantage of a strike player starting is that the opposition don’t know when the strike is coming. Put them on for 15 minutes and they can stifle the plan to get them the ball. Look what SA managed in 2015 with Lomu and that was starting.
I do prefer the thought of Reece coming on as an impact though. His busyness makes him unpredictable.
