All Blacks 2022
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
That 23 was:
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
Blackadder
Papali’i
Savea
Perenara
Barrett
Reece
ALB
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Coles, Karl T, Lomax, Vaa’i, Ioane, Christie, Mo’unga, Havili
————-Moody, Blackadder, Perenara, ALB, Lomax aren’t in the squad.
Papali’i is an unlikely starter you’d think given he’s a question mark to even play this weekend. Plus Cane will be back.
Vaa’i and Christie didn’t play any minutes in that game.
@ACT-Crusader forced changes at 1, 6 and 12
7 is the skipper back in
bench backs i can easily see the same (unless DH gets the 12 shirt)
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
That 23 was:
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
Blackadder
Papali’i
Savea
Perenara
Barrett
Reece
ALB
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Coles, Karl T, Lomax, Vaa’i, Ioane, Christie, Mo’unga, Havili
————-Moody, Blackadder, Perenara, ALB, Lomax aren’t in the squad.
Papali’i is an unlikely starter you’d think given he’s a question mark to even play this weekend. Plus Cane will be back.
Vaa’i and Christie didn’t play any minutes in that game.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i would be astounded if the first test 23 doesn't closely match the 23 from the last Ireland test
and with good reason. The coaches think it was an aberration based on external factors and fatigue. They need to test that hypothesis.
That 23 was:
Moody
Taylor
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
Blackadder
Papali’i
Savea
Perenara
Barrett
Reece
ALB
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Coles, Karl T, Lomax, Vaa’i, Ioane, Christie, Mo’unga, Havili
————-Moody, Blackadder, Perenara, ALB, Lomax aren’t in the squad.
Papali’i is an unlikely starter you’d think given he’s a question mark to even play this weekend. Plus Cane will be back.
Vaa’i and Christie didn’t play any minutes in that game.
So
MoodyBower
TaylorTaukei'aho
Laulala
Retallick
Whitelock
BlackadderIoane
Papali’iCane
Savea
PerenaraSmith
Barrett
Reece
ALBGoodhue/Havili
Ioane
Jordan
BarrettBench: Taylor, Karl T, Tu'ungafasi , Vaa’i, Papalii, Christie, Mo’unga, Perofeta
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No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
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No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
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No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
Agree on Perofeta.
With Clarke out again for the Blues this weekend, he won’t have played much footy come test team selection time so you’d think there is doubt.
The question will be if Clarke is their answer at 11, do they go for a like for like and put in Fainga’anuku or go with what the combo that played last year?
On front row, I think the pieces need to complement each other. I would have Sami with whatever combo includes Karl T, be it starting or bench. Sami is equally damaging as a starter or bench player.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
Agree on Perofeta.
With Clarke out again for the Blues this weekend, he won’t have played much footy come test team selection time so you’d think there is doubt.
The question will be if Clarke is their answer at 11, do they go for a like for like and put in Fainga’anuku or go with what the combo that played last year?
On front row, I think the pieces need to complement each other. I would have Sami with whatever combo includes Karl T, be it starting or bench. Sami is equally damaging as a starter or bench player.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
Sami is equally damaging as a starter or bench player.
Fuck off with your covert plan to have Taylor start.:grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
(Samisoni is one of our few points of difference, so I'd be buggered if he's getting 20 off the bench)
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth Yep that's one thing i'd like to see change this season for the All Blacks - bench players picked for impact rather than just cover.
Just because a player is a better starter than another player doesn't mean they are a better bench option. I think the likes of Blackadder and Jacobson are better suited to starting than bench. Papali'i would need to prove he can add impact off of the bench too - he'd be straight into 7 if Cane wasn't available and he can theoretically cover all 3 loose forward roles but he also needs to show he can add impact off of the bench.
100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon. I absolutely baulk at the idea of players like Havili or Goodhue on the bench. It was under John Mitchell that I think we really led the world by using our bench tactically to provide impact rather than just injury cover - players like big Kees Meeuws coming on with 15 to go used to wreck havoc.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon.
We've had that luxury in the past, but I'm not too sure we do at this moment in time. Agree we need to use the bench better though.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon.
We've had that luxury in the past, but I'm not too sure we do at this moment in time. Agree we need to use the bench better though.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
100% this, with the talent at our disposal our bench should always be a weapon.
We've had that luxury in the past, but I'm not too sure we do at this moment in time. Agree we need to use the bench better though.
i could believe we have the talent...i just think how we want to play or are trying to play doesn't always work with the talent we have
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No need to have Perofeta on the bench with Mo'unga. Jordan can cover fullback so have an impact winger there. That could be Reece, Clarke or Fainga'anuku depending on who starts at 11.
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
Lomu would have had great impact off the bench.
Samisoni is better than Taylor. So he should start.
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@Victor-Meldrew Given that we have been chasing games, rather than putting the opposition under pressure, that would be particularly stupid!
@Tim yeah we need to start winning games, we don't have the superior fitness and blockbusters on the bench to chase games at the moment, so agree, get out of the gate quicker.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Graham Henry's principles still hold strong
Win your set piece
Get over the gain line on first phaseEverything builds off that
Strong set pieces.
Win collisions on both sides of the ball
Bodies in motion
Make metres in the ruck.
Make teams fear our forwards again
Create opportunities for.our strike weapons, don't hand them the ball and wait for shit to happenIf we do this we'll win heaps, but in all honesty the results don't matter if I can see obvious improvements in the key areas
This!
I'd like more plays around the ruck with bodies in motion on both sides of the ball carrier, involving big runners (e.g., Clarke, Fainga'anuku) on the inside ball, and other big athletic bodies (such as Akira, PGS) on the edge outside.
If we can get enough big bodies carrying, we won't need props to do it, we can have a core role/clean job for the fatties, which is about all they are good for.
It won't happen, but I also want to see Sotutu out there playing as a receiver and distributor as he does for the Blues.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
It won't happen, but I also want to see Sotutu out there playing as a receiver and distributor as he does for the Blues.
Pre captain Read used to be very good at this role, not quite the deft skill of Sotutu but there is hope as they've done it before in recentish times.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
Lomu would have had great impact off the bench.
Samisoni is better than Taylor. So he should start.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I am not expecting Taukei'aho to start, which will be a big mistake.
I agree, but I suppose Foster might see some logic in using him for impact off the bench for a must-win 1st Test.
Lomu would have had great impact off the bench.
Would he though? The advantage of a strike player starting is that the opposition don’t know when the strike is coming. Put them on for 15 minutes and they can stifle the plan to get them the ball. Look what SA managed in 2015 with Lomu and that was starting.
I do prefer the thought of Reece coming on as an impact though. His busyness makes him unpredictable. -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp the skills and form Sotutu has shown the past month or so should really be giving the coaches thoughts about whether they start Ardie at 8 or not, but we know, he and Cane are penciled in at 8/7 respectively.
I don't know. Ardie really is a hard one. We all know that his selection causes imbalances in the loosies but he is an extremely talented and tenacious player that has the respect of others. We wish others had his skills but he really isn't a pure 6, 7 or 8.
We haven't seen them try him on the bench enough IMO. Maybe it's because they couldn't last year the way things panned out with him having to fill in as captain.
As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.
All three of them go hard. Ardie fizzing off the bench will pick up the slack for the other two anyway!
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.
All three of them go hard. Ardie fizzing off the bench will pick up the slack for the other two anyway!
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.
All three of them go hard. Ardie fizzing off the bench will pick up the slack for the other two anyway!
No matter what, I think Sotutu has to be in the 23. Whether on the bench or even starting. In the scenario we lose Cane or Ardie, Sotutu slots in. If we lost Akira, we have the option to have Ardie and Cane play left and right side or we move Barrett (or Vaa’i) to blindside. That move will largely depend on opponent and time of game.
Sotutu is too good to leave out and his improvement this season show he’s upped his workrate on both sides of the ball, accuracy at the ruck, whilst providing a ball running option.
I think they’ll go for Ardie to start the first test, but hey they could surprise us.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.
All three of them go hard. Ardie fizzing off the bench will pick up the slack for the other two anyway!
No matter what, I think Sotutu has to be in the 23. Whether on the bench or even starting. In the scenario we lose Cane or Ardie, Sotutu slots in. If we lost Akira, we have the option to have Ardie and Cane play left and right side or we move Barrett (or Vaa’i) to blindside. That move will largely depend on opponent and time of game.
Sotutu is too good to leave out and his improvement this season show he’s upped his workrate on both sides of the ball, accuracy at the ruck, whilst providing a ball running option.
I think they’ll go for Ardie to start the first test, but hey they could surprise us.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.
All three of them go hard. Ardie fizzing off the bench will pick up the slack for the other two anyway!
No matter what, I think Sotutu has to be in the 23. Whether on the bench or even starting. In the scenario we lose Cane or Ardie, Sotutu slots in. If we lost Akira, we have the option to have Ardie and Cane play left and right side or we move Barrett (or Vaa’i) to blindside. That move will largely depend on opponent and time of game.
Sotutu is too good to leave out and his improvement this season show he’s upped his workrate on both sides of the ball, accuracy at the ruck, whilst providing a ball running option.
I think they’ll go for Ardie to start the first test, but hey they could surprise us.
Yeah, quite keen to see how Sowakula is going to go too though. Him and Ioane on at the same time could cause some opposition a few headaches.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
As a bench option we could move everyone around. It may create options of tasking Akira or Hoskins or Cane to go extra hard for 50 minutes. We could mix it up and adjust according to the game and opposition.
All three of them go hard. Ardie fizzing off the bench will pick up the slack for the other two anyway!
No matter what, I think Sotutu has to be in the 23. Whether on the bench or even starting. In the scenario we lose Cane or Ardie, Sotutu slots in. If we lost Akira, we have the option to have Ardie and Cane play left and right side or we move Barrett (or Vaa’i) to blindside. That move will largely depend on opponent and time of game.
Sotutu is too good to leave out and his improvement this season show he’s upped his workrate on both sides of the ball, accuracy at the ruck, whilst providing a ball running option.
I think they’ll go for Ardie to start the first test, but hey they could surprise us.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
I think they’ll go for Ardie to start the first test, but hey they could surprise us.
Haha yeah right
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@Nepia so much hate inside you…
On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia so much hate inside you…
On your team, I don’t think we can afford to start both Laulala and Karl T. That was a glaring problem for us previously. If both are in the team I hope only one of them starts and the other off the bench.
They’re our best scrummagers. But think we can start Ofa and Karl and get a good mix, then Nepo and Bower/Ross to finish.
