All Blacks 2022
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To me, Goodhue starts or isn't in the 23. I don't think he adds a lot off the bench, where you want impact players.
If Tu'inukuafe is considered the best LH scrummager then surely he starts too? The only problem is that a Tu'inukuafe-Laulala combo with Taylor doesn't provide a lot of ball-carrying from the front row. So we're back to the same problem. The best option is to start Taukei'aho to do the heavy lifting and use Taylor, Bower and Tu'ungafasi as subs. That won't happen, of course.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
To me, Goodhue starts or isn't in the 23. I don't think he adds a lot off the bench, where you want impact players.
If Tu'inukuafe is considered the best LH scrummager then surely he starts too? The only problem is that a Tu'inukuafe-Laulala combo with Taylor doesn't provide a lot of ball-carrying from the front row. So we're back to the same problem. The best option is to start Taukei'aho to do the heavy lifting and use Taylor, Bower and Tu'ungafasi as subs. That won't happen, of course.
Agree on Goodhue. 17 out of his 18 tests as a starter. The Goodhue/Ioane was the last combo they went with when Goodhue was fit. That way they could have Havili/RTS/Tupaea on the bench.
Has the AB coaches said that about Karl T? I’m more of the view that he’s an insurance policy because Moody is out. They need to mix and match Laulala and Karl T.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
To me, Goodhue starts or isn't in the 23. I don't think he adds a lot off the bench, where you want impact players.
If Tu'inukuafe is considered the best LH scrummager then surely he starts too? The only problem is that a Tu'inukuafe-Laulala combo with Taylor doesn't provide a lot of ball-carrying from the front row. So we're back to the same problem. The best option is to start Taukei'aho to do the heavy lifting and use Taylor, Bower and Tu'ungafasi as subs. That won't happen, of course.
Agree on Goodhue. 17 out of his 18 tests as a starter. The Goodhue/Ioane was the last combo they went with when Goodhue was fit. That way they could have Havili/RTS/Tupaea on the bench.
Has the AB coaches said that about Karl T? I’m more of the view that he’s an insurance policy because Moody is out. They need to mix and match Laulala and Karl T.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
To me, Goodhue starts or isn't in the 23. I don't think he adds a lot off the bench, where you want impact players.
If Tu'inukuafe is considered the best LH scrummager then surely he starts too? The only problem is that a Tu'inukuafe-Laulala combo with Taylor doesn't provide a lot of ball-carrying from the front row. So we're back to the same problem. The best option is to start Taukei'aho to do the heavy lifting and use Taylor, Bower and Tu'ungafasi as subs. That won't happen, of course.
Agree on Goodhue. 17 out of his 18 tests as a starter. The Goodhue/Ioane was the last combo they went with when Goodhue was fit. That way they could have Havili/RTS/Tupaea on the bench.
Has the AB coaches said that about Karl T? I’m more of the view that he’s an insurance policy because Moody is out. They need to mix and match Laulala and Karl T.
I reckon they looked at what they had and realised they were extremely green in the LH dept so he was a panic selection.
Ross is probably a better scrummager than Bower but maybe some combos between LH and hooker will sway decisions? Bower with Codie and Ross with Sami? -
I think we can, and should, look to attack the Irish scrum. They were regularly under pressure against England and France, particularly on the LH side, so it makes sense to try to dominate there and get some momentum for your attack.
@ACT-Crusader Here is what Plumtree said:
“We see Karl as so important. He’s probably our strongest loosehead scrummager. We know what we face in the next five tests – pretty tough contests up front – so Karl’s experience is going to be massive.”
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Has George Bower at least quietened the critics for now?
That won't be far away from the team.
I expect Scott Barrett to at least be in the 23. I would start him, but the TAB will probably be right.
BB and RM may or may not swap the starting role.
I'd be inclined to pick Jack Goodhue at 2nd five, but Dave Havili has put his hand up.
Not sure about the bench props - Fozzie will learn more in camp about their relative abilities at scrum time. I'd like to see Ross on the bench.
Pretty doubtful that Big Leicester goes straight into the 23. I'm not sure he's legitimate cover for anywhere other than 11 in his first test.
Fozzie could outrage most of NZ by picking Crusaders from 10-14!
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Gcobani Bobo on the SuperSport program suggested the coaches pick Faainganuku at 12 and honestly it's not the worst idea.
Was there a worse one? Did someone suggest picking Franks at 12?
Yes, Schalk Burger suggested @Bones
Too many shots to the head that guy
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Gcobani Bobo on the SuperSport program suggested the coaches pick Faainganuku at 12 and honestly it's not the worst idea.
Was there a worse one? Did someone suggest picking Franks at 12?
Yes, Schalk Burger suggested @Bones
Too many shots to the head that guy
Takes one to know one?
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Gcobani Bobo on the SuperSport program suggested the coaches pick Faainganuku at 12 and honestly it's not the worst idea.
Was there a worse one? Did someone suggest picking Franks at 12?
Yes, Schalk Burger suggested @Bones
Too many shots to the head that guy
Takes one to know one?
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Gcobani Bobo on the SuperSport program suggested the coaches pick Faainganuku at 12 and honestly it's not the worst idea.
Was there a worse one? Did someone suggest picking Franks at 12?
Yes, Schalk Burger suggested @Bones
Too many shots to the head that guy
Takes one to know one?
Hey.
This guy thinks he's you
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Gcobani Bobo on the SuperSport program suggested the coaches pick Faainganuku at 12 and honestly it's not the worst idea.
Was there a worse one? Did someone suggest picking Franks at 12?
Yes, Schalk Burger suggested @Bones
Too many shots to the head that guy
Takes one to know one?
Hey.
This guy thinks he's you
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Gcobani Bobo on the SuperSport program suggested the coaches pick Faainganuku at 12 and honestly it's not the worst idea.
Was there a worse one? Did someone suggest picking Franks at 12?
Yes, Schalk Burger suggested @Bones
Too many shots to the head that guy
Takes one to know one?
Hey.
This guy thinks he's you
Takes one to know one.
Wait ... what? ...
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Good news on Whitelock
An All Blacks spokesperson told Stuff after a medical assessment on Tuesday when the squad assembled fully in Auckland, that the prognosis was encouraging enough for him to remain with the group with a view to playing a full part in the July series against Ireland. Whitelock’s thumb was said to be “improving” and the plan was for him to look after it for a few days, after which it was hoped he would be cleared to play a full part in the buildup for the opening test at Eden Park on July 2. -
Good news on Whitelock
An All Blacks spokesperson told Stuff after a medical assessment on Tuesday when the squad assembled fully in Auckland, that the prognosis was encouraging enough for him to remain with the group with a view to playing a full part in the July series against Ireland. Whitelock’s thumb was said to be “improving” and the plan was for him to look after it for a few days, after which it was hoped he would be cleared to play a full part in the buildup for the opening test at Eden Park on July 2.@KiwiMurph Think that was a media-hyped-up story. First appeared in the Ferald after the interview where he said it was no problem, and from there made its way to even some Japanese English media sites.
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@KiwiMurph Think that was a media-hyped-up story. First appeared in the Ferald after the interview where he said it was no problem, and from there made its way to even some Japanese English media sites.
Got the impression the Ferald were trying the "he shouldn't have played in the final" angle.@Old-Samurai-Jack just shows how selfish Razor is, putting the needs of the Crusaders above the national side, naughty boy.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack just shows how selfish Razor is, putting the needs of the Crusaders above the national side, naughty boy.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack just shows how selfish Razor is, putting the needs of the Crusaders above the national side, naughty boy.
Blackadder wouldn't have played him.
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@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
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@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.
Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).
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they look fitter than the last time they played for the BA's get them back in!
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they look fitter than the last time they played for the BA's get them back in!
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
they look fitter than the last time they played for the BA's get them back in!
sobs in longing
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@KiwiMurph From that article:
It’s a similar story on the wings. With Jordie Barrett likely to stay at fullback, despite spending some time in the midfield for the Hurricanes throughout the season, that leaves Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Caleb Clarke and Leicester Fainga’anuku competing for spots in the No 11 and No 14 jerseys. Jordan and Reece may be the more experienced figures, but Clarke and Fainga’anuku boast power that can’t be replicated by the current incumbents – and that power may be too hard for Foster and co to ignore.
Jesus. Big Leicester in over Will Jordan?
"Look, you can't be serious man. YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!"
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
This is the England lineup that lost to France by 5 in the 2002 6Ns
Rowntree, Thompson, Vickery, Johnson (C), Kay, Hill, Back, Worsley, Bracken, Wilkinson, Cohen, Tindall, Greenwood, Healey, Robinson
West, Leonard, Grewcock, Corry, Duncombe, Paul, Luger
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This is the lineup we played in 2002 at Twickenham (we lost by 3)Woodman, Thompson, Vickery, Johnson (C), Grewcock , Moody, Hill, Dallaglio , Dawson, Wilkinson, Cohen, Tindall, Greenwood , Simpson-Daniel , Robinson
Regan, Leonard, Kay, Back, Healey, Johnston, Stimpson
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This is the lineup we played at Welly in 2003 (we lost by 2)Rowntree, Thompson, Leonard, Johnson (C), Kay, Hill Back , Dallaglio, Bracken, Wilkinson, Cohen, Greenwood, Tindall, Robinson, Lewsey
West, Vickery, Borthwick, Worsley, Gomarsall, Grayson, Luger
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This is the lineup that faced the Wallabies in the 2003 RWC finalWoodman, Thompson, Vickery, Johnson (C), Kay, Hill, Back, Dallaglio, Dawson, Wilkinson, Cohen, Tindall, Greenwood, Robinson, Lewsey
West, Leonard, Corry, Moody, Bracken, Catt, Balshaw
————8 of the 15 - Thompson, Johnson (C), Hill, Wilkinson, Cohen, Tindall, Greenwood, Robinson - started all those tests. Critically the hooker, best lock, 10-12-13 all the same.
Take it for what it’s worth.
Henry Paul in that French test
