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  • O Old Samurai Jack

    @KiwiMurph Think that was a media-hyped-up story. First appeared in the Ferald after the interview where he said it was no problem, and from there made its way to even some Japanese English media sites.
    Got the impression the Ferald were trying the "he shouldn't have played in the final" angle.

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    @Old-Samurai-Jack just shows how selfish Razor is, putting the needs of the Crusaders above the national side, naughty boy.

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    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

      @Old-Samurai-Jack just shows how selfish Razor is, putting the needs of the Crusaders above the national side, naughty boy.

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      @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

      @Old-Samurai-Jack just shows how selfish Razor is, putting the needs of the Crusaders above the national side, naughty boy.

      Blackadder wouldn't have played him.

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        #3188

        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/time-for-the-all-blacks-to-fast-track-their-exciting-youngsters/

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        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/time-for-the-all-blacks-to-fast-track-their-exciting-youngsters/

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          #3189

          @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

          I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

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          • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

            @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

            I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

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            #3190

            @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

            @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

            I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

            without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

            Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

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            • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

              @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

              I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

              without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

              Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

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              #3191

              @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

              @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

              I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

              without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

              Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

              Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

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              • Dan54D Dan54

                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

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                #3192

                @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

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                • KiwiwombleK Online
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                  #3193

                  they look fitter than the last time they played for the BA's get them back in!

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                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                    they look fitter than the last time they played for the BA's get them back in!

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                    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

                    they look fitter than the last time they played for the BA's get them back in!

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                    sobs in longing

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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                      https://www.rugbypass.com/news/time-for-the-all-blacks-to-fast-track-their-exciting-youngsters/

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                      #3195

                      @KiwiMurph From that article:

                      It’s a similar story on the wings. With Jordie Barrett likely to stay at fullback, despite spending some time in the midfield for the Hurricanes throughout the season, that leaves Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Caleb Clarke and Leicester Fainga’anuku competing for spots in the No 11 and No 14 jerseys. Jordan and Reece may be the more experienced figures, but Clarke and Fainga’anuku boast power that can’t be replicated by the current incumbents – and that power may be too hard for Foster and co to ignore.

                      Jesus. Big Leicester in over Will Jordan?

                      "Look, you can't be serious man. YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!" 🙂

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                      • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                        I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                        without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                        Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

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                        #3196

                        @mariner4life

                        This is the England lineup that lost to France by 5 in the 2002 6Ns

                        Rowntree, Thompson, Vickery, Johnson (C), Kay, Hill, Back, Worsley, Bracken, Wilkinson, Cohen, Tindall, Greenwood, Healey, Robinson

                        West, Leonard, Grewcock, Corry, Duncombe, Paul, Luger
                        ——-
                        This is the lineup we played in 2002 at Twickenham (we lost by 3)

                        Woodman, Thompson, Vickery, Johnson (C), Grewcock
, Moody, Hill, 
Dallaglio
, Dawson, 
Wilkinson, Cohen, Tindall, Greenwood
, Simpson-Daniel
, Robinson

                        Regan, Leonard, Kay, Back, Healey, Johnston, Stimpson
                        ——-
                        This is the lineup we played at Welly in 2003 (we lost by 2)

                        Rowntree, Thompson, 
Leonard, Johnson (C), Kay, Hill
Back
, Dallaglio, Bracken, 
Wilkinson, Cohen, Greenwood, 
Tindall, 
Robinson, 
Lewsey

                        West, Vickery, Borthwick, Worsley, Gomarsall, Grayson, Luger 
                        ——-
                        This is the lineup that faced the Wallabies in the 2003 RWC final

                        Woodman, Thompson, Vickery, Johnson (C), Kay, Hill, Back, Dallaglio, Dawson, Wilkinson, Cohen, Tindall, Greenwood, Robinson, Lewsey

                        West, Leonard, Corry, Moody, Bracken, Catt, Balshaw
                        ————

                        8 of the 15 - Thompson, Johnson (C), Hill, Wilkinson, Cohen, Tindall, Greenwood, Robinson - started all those tests. Critically the hooker, best lock, 10-12-13 all the same.

                        Take it for what it’s worth.

                        Henry Paul in that French test 😂

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                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                          @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                          I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                          without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                          Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                          Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                          Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                          Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

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                          #3197

                          @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                          I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                          without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                          Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                          Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                          Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                          Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                          Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

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                          • Dan54D Dan54

                            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                            I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                            without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                            Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                            Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                            Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                            Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                            Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

                            KiwiwombleK Online
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                            #3198

                            @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                            I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                            without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                            Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                            Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                            Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                            Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                            Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

                            how do they prove it?

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                            • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                              @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                              I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                              without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                              Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                              Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                              Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                              Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                              Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

                              how do they prove it?

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                              @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                              I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                              without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                              Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                              Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                              Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                              Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                              Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

                              how do they prove it?

                              Easy, get someone (who has got more time than myself) to go back and check who coached who in WCs, and how long they coached!:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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                              • Dan54D Dan54

                                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                                I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                                without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                                Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                                Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                                Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                                Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                                Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

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                                @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                                I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                                without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                                Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                                Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                                Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                                Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                                Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

                                Well if we're talking about coaches knowing who will be or won't be at the World Cup - both the 1987 Baby Blacks and the 1995 All Blacks came together very late and a lot of players wouldn't have been in the frame 2 years earlier.

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                                  Obviously the focus is on the Irish but this is good news. ABs first trip to RSA since 2018 I think.

                                  https://twitter.com/SARugbymag/status/1539837856415367171

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                                  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                                    I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                                    without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                                    Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                                    Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                                    Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                                    Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                                    Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

                                    Well if we're talking about coaches knowing who will be or won't be at the World Cup - both the 1987 Baby Blacks and the 1995 All Blacks came together very late and a lot of players wouldn't have been in the frame 2 years earlier.

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                                    #3202

                                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                                    I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                                    without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                                    Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                                    Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                                    Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                                    Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                                    Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

                                    Well if we're talking about coaches knowing who will be or won't be at the World Cup - both the 1987 Baby Blacks and the 1995 All Blacks came together very late and a lot of players wouldn't have been in the frame 2 years earlier.

                                    I'm surprised I'm the first in with this pedantry ... the Baby Blacks were the 1986 team.

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                                    • NepiaN Nepia

                                      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                                      I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                                      without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                                      Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                                      Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                                      Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                                      Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                                      Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

                                      Well if we're talking about coaches knowing who will be or won't be at the World Cup - both the 1987 Baby Blacks and the 1995 All Blacks came together very late and a lot of players wouldn't have been in the frame 2 years earlier.

                                      I'm surprised I'm the first in with this pedantry ... the Baby Blacks were the 1986 team.

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                                      @Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                                      I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                                      without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                                      Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                                      Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                                      Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.

                                      Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).

                                      Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?

                                      Well if we're talking about coaches knowing who will be or won't be at the World Cup - both the 1987 Baby Blacks and the 1995 All Blacks came together very late and a lot of players wouldn't have been in the frame 2 years earlier.

                                      I'm surprised I'm the first in with this pedantry ... the Baby Blacks were the 1986 team.

                                      Somebody had to huh Nepia Lol!!
                                      But pre 1996 and professioalism we were only getting a couple of tests a year anyway, so didn't get huge build ups anyway.

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                                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                                        I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                                        without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                                        Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                                        Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

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                                        @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                                        I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                                        without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                                        Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                                        Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                                        Yeah - right now even us plebs can pretty much pick at least 80 percent of next year's team barring injuries or catastrophic loss of form (and Fozzie can't pick that either).

                                        It is highly unlikely that anyone will be picked who isn't already on the radar i.e. already playing Super rugby. It's just too hard to spring a left field surprise - especially when you've got to pare down the current squad + three or four injured players - to 31. And then you've got a bunch of contenders in the recently dropped category.

                                        Most likely to make the step in - I'd say props - de Groot, Hodgman, Newell, Lomax (if he can recapture some form) and the enormous Tamaiti Williams as a wildcard, who brings something a bit different.

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                                          @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…

                                          I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.

                                          without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.

                                          Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.

                                          Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.

                                          Yeah - right now even us plebs can pretty much pick at least 80 percent of next year's team barring injuries or catastrophic loss of form (and Fozzie can't pick that either).

                                          It is highly unlikely that anyone will be picked who isn't already on the radar i.e. already playing Super rugby. It's just too hard to spring a left field surprise - especially when you've got to pare down the current squad + three or four injured players - to 31. And then you've got a bunch of contenders in the recently dropped category.

                                          Most likely to make the step in - I'd say props - de Groot, Hodgman, Newell, Lomax (if he can recapture some form) and the enormous Tamaiti Williams as a wildcard, who brings something a bit different.

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                                          @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          It is highly unlikely that anyone will be picked who isn't already on the radar i.e. already playing Super rugby. It's just too hard to spring a left field surprise - especially when you've got to pare down the current squad + three or four injured players - to 31. And then you've got a bunch of contenders in the recently dropped category.

                                          NMS has entered the conversation.
                                          One glorious year, and a RWC winners medal to go with it. But really, outside backs are the only place someone may blaze into contention

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