All Blacks 2022
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.
Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).
Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?
Well if we're talking about coaches knowing who will be or won't be at the World Cup - both the 1987 Baby Blacks and the 1995 All Blacks came together very late and a lot of players wouldn't have been in the frame 2 years earlier.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.
Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).
Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?
Well if we're talking about coaches knowing who will be or won't be at the World Cup - both the 1987 Baby Blacks and the 1995 All Blacks came together very late and a lot of players wouldn't have been in the frame 2 years earlier.
I'm surprised I'm the first in with this pedantry ... the Baby Blacks were the 1986 team.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.
Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).
Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?
Well if we're talking about coaches knowing who will be or won't be at the World Cup - both the 1987 Baby Blacks and the 1995 All Blacks came together very late and a lot of players wouldn't have been in the frame 2 years earlier.
I'm surprised I'm the first in with this pedantry ... the Baby Blacks were the 1986 team.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
Well if you look at the last world cup cycle Erasmus didn't have his first test in charge until June 2018.
Michael Chieka in the cycle before that took over even later in the relative cycle (end of year tour 2014).
Yep very much exceptions to prove the rule though aren't they?
Well if we're talking about coaches knowing who will be or won't be at the World Cup - both the 1987 Baby Blacks and the 1995 All Blacks came together very late and a lot of players wouldn't have been in the frame 2 years earlier.
I'm surprised I'm the first in with this pedantry ... the Baby Blacks were the 1986 team.
Somebody had to huh Nepia Lol!!
But pre 1996 and professioalism we were only getting a couple of tests a year anyway, so didn't get huge build ups anyway. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
Yeah - right now even us plebs can pretty much pick at least 80 percent of next year's team barring injuries or catastrophic loss of form (and Fozzie can't pick that either).
It is highly unlikely that anyone will be picked who isn't already on the radar i.e. already playing Super rugby. It's just too hard to spring a left field surprise - especially when you've got to pare down the current squad + three or four injured players - to 31. And then you've got a bunch of contenders in the recently dropped category.
Most likely to make the step in - I'd say props - de Groot, Hodgman, Newell, Lomax (if he can recapture some form) and the enormous Tamaiti Williams as a wildcard, who brings something a bit different.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph funny, by my calendar the RWC is in 14 months and 2 weeks, not 18 months…
I know some think that there’s not a lot of time, but there’s still quite a bit of footy to be played before then. Plus all of our successful campaigns to date have seen a late surprise or left field selection or two that have had an impact in the tournament.
without putting any evidence in to it, i think the "continuity" angle of being settled 2 years out is wildly overrated if you look at the actual results.
Probably England 2003 is the one i remember where you knew 2 years out who was playing and how they would play.
Mate, I think the thing is most coaches have a pretty good idea who will be at WC, they tend to have a bit more knowledge of the team's plans than us plebs. I guess at most WCs we had a fairly good idea of team a couple of years out.
Yeah - right now even us plebs can pretty much pick at least 80 percent of next year's team barring injuries or catastrophic loss of form (and Fozzie can't pick that either).
It is highly unlikely that anyone will be picked who isn't already on the radar i.e. already playing Super rugby. It's just too hard to spring a left field surprise - especially when you've got to pare down the current squad + three or four injured players - to 31. And then you've got a bunch of contenders in the recently dropped category.
Most likely to make the step in - I'd say props - de Groot, Hodgman, Newell, Lomax (if he can recapture some form) and the enormous Tamaiti Williams as a wildcard, who brings something a bit different.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
It is highly unlikely that anyone will be picked who isn't already on the radar i.e. already playing Super rugby. It's just too hard to spring a left field surprise - especially when you've got to pare down the current squad + three or four injured players - to 31. And then you've got a bunch of contenders in the recently dropped category.
NMS has entered the conversation.
One glorious year, and a RWC winners medal to go with it. But really, outside backs are the only place someone may blaze into contention -
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
It is highly unlikely that anyone will be picked who isn't already on the radar i.e. already playing Super rugby. It's just too hard to spring a left field surprise - especially when you've got to pare down the current squad + three or four injured players - to 31. And then you've got a bunch of contenders in the recently dropped category.
NMS has entered the conversation.
One glorious year, and a RWC winners medal to go with it. But really, outside backs are the only place someone may blaze into contention@nzzp Yeah - I think that's true - but we have some guns in those positions who are not going to be surpassed by someone (Jonah) out of school- barring injuries.
You could see someone like Telea or Lam make the squad - but, in my view they're already on the radar.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
It is highly unlikely that anyone will be picked who isn't already on the radar i.e. already playing Super rugby. It's just too hard to spring a left field surprise - especially when you've got to pare down the current squad + three or four injured players - to 31. And then you've got a bunch of contenders in the recently dropped category.
NMS has entered the conversation.
One glorious year, and a RWC winners medal to go with it. But really, outside backs are the only place someone may blaze into contention -
@nzzp Actually Rayasi is the most likely wildcard - he needs to read Rafa Nadal's biography!!!
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp Actually Rayasi is the most likely wildcard - he needs to read Rafa Nadal's biography!!!
Now that's being enigmatic.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp Actually Rayasi is the most likely wildcard - he needs to read Rafa Nadal's biography!!!
Now that's being enigmatic.
It only is until you read Rafa's autobiography. He's an extreme version of Richie McCaw!!!
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp Actually Rayasi is the most likely wildcard - he needs to read Rafa Nadal's biography!!!
Now that's being enigmatic.
It only is until you read Rafa's autobiography. He's an extreme version of Richie McCaw!!!
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp Actually Rayasi is the most likely wildcard - he needs to read Rafa Nadal's biography!!!
Now that's being enigmatic.
It only is until you read Rafa's autobiography. He's an extreme version of Richie McCaw!!!
Has his book got chapters on gliding as well ?
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@KiwiMurph From that article:
It’s a similar story on the wings. With Jordie Barrett likely to stay at fullback, despite spending some time in the midfield for the Hurricanes throughout the season, that leaves Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Caleb Clarke and Leicester Fainga’anuku competing for spots in the No 11 and No 14 jerseys. Jordan and Reece may be the more experienced figures, but Clarke and Fainga’anuku boast power that can’t be replicated by the current incumbents – and that power may be too hard for Foster and co to ignore.
Jesus. Big Leicester in over Will Jordan?
"Look, you can't be serious man. YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!"
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph From that article:
It’s a similar story on the wings. With Jordie Barrett likely to stay at fullback, despite spending some time in the midfield for the Hurricanes throughout the season, that leaves Will Jordan, Sevu Reece, Caleb Clarke and Leicester Fainga’anuku competing for spots in the No 11 and No 14 jerseys. Jordan and Reece may be the more experienced figures, but Clarke and Fainga’anuku boast power that can’t be replicated by the current incumbents – and that power may be too hard for Foster and co to ignore.
Jesus. Big Leicester in over Will Jordan?
"Look, you can't be serious man. YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!"
The judgement of anyone who uses the term "current incumbent" is obviously questionable ...
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they look fitter than the last time they played for the BA's get them back in!
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
they look fitter than the last time they played for the BA's get them back in!
Who's the bloke on the left? Looks like Richie McCaw's anorexic cousin.
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Lingering injury clouds cast a shadow over the All Blacks squad to confront Ireland in the highly anticipated first test of the year at Eden Park next weekend.
Concerns surrounding Aaron Smith's groin and Jordie Barrett's heavily-strapped knee at training this week could yet affect coach Ian Foster's ability to name his preferred starting side, with both considered touch and go for next Saturday's 48,000-strong sold-out Irish assignment.
Barrett is considered more likely to feature but he and Smith will need to pass fitness tests to prove their readiness.
Others carrying injuries, such as Blues duo Caleb Clarke and Rieko Ioane (hamstrings) and All Blacks centurion Sam Whitelock (broken thumb), are expected to receive the all clear.
Possible All Blacks team: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, David Havili, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (c), Akira Ioane, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, George Bower.
Reserves: Karl Tu'inukuafe, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ofa Tuungafasi, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Sevu Reece/Jack Goodhue.
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/a-number-of-key-all-blacks-still-not-locked-in-beyond-2022/
Flanker Dalton Papalii, first five Stephen Perofeta, midfielder Rieko Ioane and outside backs Sevu Reece, Will Jordan and Jordie Barrett are all in the final years of their NZR contracts. George Bridge, who has been a mainstay in the squad since 2019 but missed out on the latest team, is in the same boat, while the situations regarding Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie and the injured Ethan Blackadder are not publically known.
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Lingering injury clouds cast a shadow over the All Blacks squad to confront Ireland in the highly anticipated first test of the year at Eden Park next weekend.
Concerns surrounding Aaron Smith's groin and Jordie Barrett's heavily-strapped knee at training this week could yet affect coach Ian Foster's ability to name his preferred starting side, with both considered touch and go for next Saturday's 48,000-strong sold-out Irish assignment.
Barrett is considered more likely to feature but he and Smith will need to pass fitness tests to prove their readiness.
Others carrying injuries, such as Blues duo Caleb Clarke and Rieko Ioane (hamstrings) and All Blacks centurion Sam Whitelock (broken thumb), are expected to receive the all clear.
Possible All Blacks team: Jordie Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, David Havili, Caleb Clarke, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (c), Akira Ioane, Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick, Nepo Laulala, Codie Taylor, George Bower.
Reserves: Karl Tu'inukuafe, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Ofa Tuungafasi, Scott Barrett, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Richie Mo'unga, Sevu Reece/Jack Goodhue.
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/a-number-of-key-all-blacks-still-not-locked-in-beyond-2022/
Flanker Dalton Papalii, first five Stephen Perofeta, midfielder Rieko Ioane and outside backs Sevu Reece, Will Jordan and Jordie Barrett are all in the final years of their NZR contracts. George Bridge, who has been a mainstay in the squad since 2019 but missed out on the latest team, is in the same boat, while the situations regarding Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie and the injured Ethan Blackadder are not publically known.
@Tim When I went through my "signings" list, yesterday, to update the info I had on Lowe and Holland, I noticed the huge number of players (not just ABs), whose contracts expire in 2022 or of whom we don't know the contract duration.
This year, particularly, there have been very few public announcements about signings. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are more players, as yet, unsigned, but it does mean we have a lot less info.
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/a-number-of-key-all-blacks-still-not-locked-in-beyond-2022/
Flanker Dalton Papalii, first five Stephen Perofeta, midfielder Rieko Ioane and outside backs Sevu Reece, Will Jordan and Jordie Barrett are all in the final years of their NZR contracts. George Bridge, who has been a mainstay in the squad since 2019 but missed out on the latest team, is in the same boat, while the situations regarding Akira Ioane, Finlay Christie and the injured Ethan Blackadder are not publically known.
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@Tim When I went through my "signings" list, yesterday, to update the info I had on Lowe and Holland, I noticed the huge number of players (not just ABs), whose contracts expire in 2022 or of whom we don't know the contract duration.
This year, particularly, there have been very few public announcements about signings. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are more players, as yet, unsigned, but it does mean we have a lot less info.
@Stargazer Yeah, Leon MacDonald said the Blues have "99%" of their squad returning, but they haven't announced anything for those All Blacks. Perhaps contracts are being finalised, frustrating if not.
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@Tim again, with Ardie and Cane in the starting lineup I think we’d be missing a trick if Sotutu isn’t in the 23.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim again, with Ardie and Cane in the starting lineup I think we’d be missing a trick if Sotutu isn’t in the 23.
I'd love to see Hoskins there, but who would he replace? Do you leave Ardie out or do you drop Reece/Goodhue and use BB to cover wing?
Foster is probably going to be very conservative for the first Test but think/hope he gives the likes of Sotutu and Vaii starts in later tests.
