Foster, Robertson etc
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@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
I don't think it is specific to rugby, I heard the term years ago and not anything to do with rugby, not a slur as such, IIRC I heard it in relation to accountants (from an accountant about his boss)
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
I don't think it is specific to rugby, I heard the term years ago and not anything to do with rugby, not a slur as such, IIRC I heard it in relation to accountants (from an accountant about his boss)
That's a very subtle name drop. How is Ben these days?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go:
i dont remember ever hearing "fish-heads" as a term for board/management in rugby but i also dont think ive ever heard it as any kind of offensive slur
Must just be us cosmopolitans
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go:
i dont remember ever hearing "fish-heads" as a term for board/management in rugby but i also dont think ive ever heard it as any kind of offensive slur
Must just be us cosmopolitans
Or fans of Norm Hewitts book
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Bones said in Foster must go:
@Billy-Tell you realise "fish heads" is just slang that is (or at least was) commonly used to refer to the board/management etc in rugby?
I don't think it is specific to rugby, I heard the term years ago and not anything to do with rugby, not a slur as such, IIRC I heard it in relation to accountants (from an accountant about his boss)
That's a very subtle name drop. How is Ben these days?
@Bones just got married I think...
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This sums things up nicely.
https://dylancleaver.substack.com/p/comms-101-how-not-to-react-to-a-loss
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
@antipodean said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
Tough for reporters when there is no press conference or press release.
Liam Napier is probably the most connected journo with NZR that there is.
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@antipodean said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
Tough for reporters when there is no press conference or press release.
Liam Napier is probably the most connected journo with NZR that there is.
well if he is retained I am not sure who has confidence in anyone.
A double-layered shit sandwich wrapped in stinking glad wrap shared around the picnic table. -
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
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@antipodean said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
Tough for reporters when there is no press conference or press release.
Liam Napier is probably the most connected journo with NZR that there is.
@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
@antipodean said in Foster must go:
I'm seeing a lot of reporting based on no press releases or conferences. Stunning insight from some shit journalists; "coach unlikely to be sacked before South Africa trip".
Tough for reporters when there is no press conference or press release.
Liam Napier is probably the most connected journo with NZR that there is.
And even tougher when the NZR policy for what to do is "geez, I don't really know". However, in a vacuum rumour often becomes the truth given enough time in a typical organisation.
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@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
Over at Stuff
"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacksAnyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable
Agree with every single thing he says.
Why do you think it’s unacceptable?
People on massive salaries get paid it because they have to accept colossal criticism when they fail to meet their kpi’s.
People who think this is unacceptable have been listening to too much Cindy.
Reason is literally saying everything that’s been said on here for ages. The ‘pasifika’ comment is a bit weird but the rest is pretty spot on.
Yep probably hit it on head, Reason is saying what he has read on internet, it's how people without real skills sell stories, find unhappy posts etc and feed the people more of that. I just saw some of that during covid etc, if a journalist wanted to get read they followed what was on net and followed that, it's how some try to stand out in a competitive market. Generally we as readers will see an ex AB say Foster has to go, and if we agree, we think that the man is a genius, if we don't he's an idiot and what does he know. Same in press , a writer who doesn't agree with us is an idiot or NZR stooge etc, and one we agree with is a great writer. It sems to of become even more prevalant since internet became a thing.
Yep, I’m certainly not going so far as to say it was an entertaining well written piece…..but he did at least tell it like it is. I don’t think he deserves to be censored for that
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
Over at Stuff
"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacksAnyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable
Agree with every single thing he says.
Why do you think it’s unacceptable?
People on massive salaries get paid it because they have to accept colossal criticism when they fail to meet their kpi’s.
People who think this is unacceptable have been listening to too much Cindy.
Reason is literally saying everything that’s been said on here for ages. The ‘pasifika’ comment is a bit weird but the rest is pretty spot on.
Yep probably hit it on head, Reason is saying what he has read on internet, it's how people without real skills sell stories, find unhappy posts etc and feed the people more of that. I just saw some of that during covid etc, if a journalist wanted to get read they followed what was on net and followed that, it's how some try to stand out in a competitive market. Generally we as readers will see an ex AB say Foster has to go, and if we agree, we think that the man is a genius, if we don't he's an idiot and what does he know. Same in press , a writer who doesn't agree with us is an idiot or NZR stooge etc, and one we agree with is a great writer. It sems to of become even more prevalant since internet became a thing.
Yep, I’m certainly not going so far as to say it was an entertaining well written piece…..but he did at least tell it like it is. I don’t think he deserves to be censored for that
I agree MNS, not sure he needs to be censored, he writes opinion pieces. unfortunately I have opinion too. and mine is he's a click bait so called journalist,of a very low standard, so don't read him anymore, and perhaps think have a slightly less opinion of people who quote him etc. I not saying they wrong, just I find using him to base arguments etc kind of lessens the value of said argument etc.
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@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
@PecoTrain said in Foster must go:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
And that first test was not a good ABs performance either... They got the W, but it was hardly a cohesive team effort.
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@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
@PecoTrain said in Foster must go:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
Schmidt from what I have seen or heard didn't really have more than a supervising role for a couple of hours in first test, Brad Moaar was actually running it and Schamidt was keeping an eye on a couple of drills etc. Like the man and would be keen to see him involved, but I think we have to be realistic.
Still think it was a shame, he didn't want to get involved when he finished with Ireland, as it seems he turned down an approach as he wanted a break from rugby. -
@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
@PecoTrain said in Foster must go:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go:
When the current coaching group got Covid and Schmidt took the coaching reigns, that led to the only win.
Perhaps an interim change is enough to get through the Rugby Championship, and the board doesn't need to rush to get a long term replacement (or maybe Schmidt is the guy, who knows).
So I wouldn't read too much into Schmidt's involvement in the first test win - if all it took was 2-3 days to turn the AB's around I think the would have seen Foster achieve that, unless the only issue was player respect.
Unless the players are hiding things well I think they do respect Foster and the plan he is is trying to implement. There aren't any signs of toleration or frustration, they seem to be blaming themselves. I very much suspect that in reviews the players are supporting him.
The assistants are another matter though. They have already come out of reviews in a poor light (presumably from the players) which is why additions were made earlier this year. Adding more voices in has probably backfired though.
A possible 'solution' here is for Schmidt to run the gameplan and have a strong say in selection to fit that plan. The assistants are told to do what he says or butt out. Foster is too close to those he has picked to assist and needs to be stronger on realising that they aren't working out.
My guess is that they will survive out the 3N for the sake of 'disruption' but Schmidt may get to pick a new team to assist on a EOYT. -
What do you know NZR have made a mess of it again!
They put out a statement about Foster hoping he would then resign. He ignores that statement and refuses to resign. Shambles.
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@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
Over at Stuff
"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacksAnyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable
Agree with every single thing he says.
Why do you think it’s unacceptable?
People on massive salaries get paid it because they have to accept colossal criticism when they fail to meet their kpi’s.
People who think this is unacceptable have been listening to too much Cindy.
Reason is literally saying everything that’s been said on here for ages. The ‘pasifika’ comment is a bit weird but the rest is pretty spot on.
Yep probably hit it on head, Reason is saying what he has read on internet, it's how people without real skills sell stories, find unhappy posts etc and feed the people more of that. I just saw some of that during covid etc, if a journalist wanted to get read they followed what was on net and followed that, it's how some try to stand out in a competitive market. Generally we as readers will see an ex AB say Foster has to go, and if we agree, we think that the man is a genius, if we don't he's an idiot and what does he know. Same in press , a writer who doesn't agree with us is an idiot or NZR stooge etc, and one we agree with is a great writer. It sems to of become even more prevalant since internet became a thing.
Yep, I’m certainly not going so far as to say it was an entertaining well written piece…..but he did at least tell it like it is. I don’t think he deserves to be censored for that
I agree MNS, not sure he needs to be censored, he writes opinion pieces. unfortunately I have opinion too. and mine is he's a click bait so called journalist,of a very low standard, so don't read him anymore, and perhaps think have a slightly less opinion of people who quote him etc. I not saying they wrong, just I find using him to base arguments etc kind of lessens the value of said argument etc.
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
Over at Stuff
"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacksAnyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable
Agree with every single thing he says.
Why do you think it’s unacceptable?
People on massive salaries get paid it because they have to accept colossal criticism when they fail to meet their kpi’s.
People who think this is unacceptable have been listening to too much Cindy.
Reason is literally saying everything that’s been said on here for ages. The ‘pasifika’ comment is a bit weird but the rest is pretty spot on.
Yep probably hit it on head, Reason is saying what he has read on internet, it's how people without real skills sell stories, find unhappy posts etc and feed the people more of that. I just saw some of that during covid etc, if a journalist wanted to get read they followed what was on net and followed that, it's how some try to stand out in a competitive market. Generally we as readers will see an ex AB say Foster has to go, and if we agree, we think that the man is a genius, if we don't he's an idiot and what does he know. Same in press , a writer who doesn't agree with us is an idiot or NZR stooge etc, and one we agree with is a great writer. It sems to of become even more prevalant since internet became a thing.
Yep, I’m certainly not going so far as to say it was an entertaining well written piece…..but he did at least tell it like it is. I don’t think he deserves to be censored for that
I agree MNS, not sure he needs to be censored, he writes opinion pieces. unfortunately I have opinion too. and mine is he's a click bait so called journalist,of a very low standard, so don't read him anymore, and perhaps think have a slightly less opinion of people who quote him etc. I not saying they wrong, just I find using him to base arguments etc kind of lessens the value of said argument etc.
That’s ridiculous. You agree with somebodies view or you don’t.
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@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Dan54 said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage said in Foster must go:
@BerniesCorner said in Foster must go:
Over at Stuff
"Mark Reason: The fishheads who are stinking out the All Blacks"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300640271/mark-reason-the-fishheads-who-are-stinking-out-the-all-blacksAnyone else find this type of journalism totally unacceptable
Agree with every single thing he says.
Why do you think it’s unacceptable?
People on massive salaries get paid it because they have to accept colossal criticism when they fail to meet their kpi’s.
People who think this is unacceptable have been listening to too much Cindy.
Reason is literally saying everything that’s been said on here for ages. The ‘pasifika’ comment is a bit weird but the rest is pretty spot on.
Yep probably hit it on head, Reason is saying what he has read on internet, it's how people without real skills sell stories, find unhappy posts etc and feed the people more of that. I just saw some of that during covid etc, if a journalist wanted to get read they followed what was on net and followed that, it's how some try to stand out in a competitive market. Generally we as readers will see an ex AB say Foster has to go, and if we agree, we think that the man is a genius, if we don't he's an idiot and what does he know. Same in press , a writer who doesn't agree with us is an idiot or NZR stooge etc, and one we agree with is a great writer. It sems to of become even more prevalant since internet became a thing.
Yep, I’m certainly not going so far as to say it was an entertaining well written piece…..but he did at least tell it like it is. I don’t think he deserves to be censored for that
I agree MNS, not sure he needs to be censored, he writes opinion pieces. unfortunately I have opinion too. and mine is he's a click bait so called journalist,of a very low standard, so don't read him anymore, and perhaps think have a slightly less opinion of people who quote him etc. I not saying they wrong, just I find using him to base arguments etc kind of lessens the value of said argument etc.
That’s ridiculous. You agree with somebodies view or you don’t.
@MajorRage @Dan54
Reason is the stopped clock of rugby journalism. By default he will be right once every 24 times. However even when he is right, his style is really quite spiteful.
And he is a fluffybunny.
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@MajorRage @Dan54
Reason is the stopped clock of rugby journalism. By default he will be right once every 24 times. However even when he is right, his style is really quite spiteful.
And he is a fluffybunny.
@Catogrande said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage @Dan54
Reason is the stopped clock of rugby journalism. By default he will be right once every 24 times. However even when he is right, his style is really quite spiteful.
And he is a fluffybunny.
I agree with a lot of what he says. Far in excess of 1 in 24. More like 3 in 4.
I guess Dan has no respect for me. Oh how will I go on.
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@MajorRage have you considered you might also be a stopped clock?
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FWIW I agreed with a lot of the article as well, and you just know Reason has been waiting his whole life to get the chance to stick the boot in like this. The Maori/Pasifica comment was weird though.
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@Catogrande said in Foster must go:
@MajorRage @Dan54
Reason is the stopped clock of rugby journalism. By default he will be right once every 24 times. However even when he is right, his style is really quite spiteful.
And he is a fluffybunny.
I agree with a lot of what he says. Far in excess of 1 in 24. More like 3 in 4.
I guess Dan has no respect for me. Oh how will I go on.
@MajorRage TBF I think he has been writing pretty much the same shit for the last decade or more, just replace names (drop McCaw/Drop Cane)
However, since about 2018, all his BS has been getting closer and closer to the mark as NZR stumble around arrogantly, refusing to see any of the issues unfolding in front of them.
He is still a spiteful fluffybunny.
