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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    @Dan54 i'd love to see more variety, close-close-close-wide-wide

    attack close to try and draw in some of their defenders...currently we fire it 10m out to a pod...that has 3 tacklers waiting for it because EVERYONE knows that thats what we're going to do

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    @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @antipodean first loss to Ireland was 2016 so think the rot had already started

    That wasn't a defence issue. That was an arrogance issue.

    Why?

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    @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Winger said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    plumtree was rated very highly.

    And with the benefit of hindsight we should perhaps start to question those who spruiked his abilities.

    Maybe. But the canes went great guns with plumtree as an assistant. Maybe he just didn't click with this group of coaches

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    @Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @antipodean first loss to Ireland was 2016 so think the rot had already started

    That wasn't a defence issue. That was an arrogance issue.

    Why?

    A lock pairing of Kaino and Tuipulotu doesn't suggest to me they were taking it seriously. Neither did the amount of social media work in the lead up. Very different a fortnight later.

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    @antipodean You seem to have forgotten why Kaino was paired with Tuipulotu. It had absolutely nothing to do with taking it lightly. Sam Whitelock was out with a high ankle sprain, Brodie Retallick with concussion and Luke Romano had gone home because of a family bereavement. The only remaining lock was Scott Barrett, who was named on the bench for his test debut.

    I agree that the lead-up to the test seemed a bit casual, but that's more an impression from social media posts, than actually knowing what went on.

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    @Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @antipodean You seem to have forgotten why Kaino was paired with Tuipulotu. It had absolutely nothing to do with taking it lightly. Sam Whitelock was out with a high ankle sprain, Brodie Retallick with concussion and Luke Romano had gone home because of a family bereavement. The only remaining lock was Scott Barrett, who was named on the bench for his test debut.

    I agree that the lead-up to the test seemed a bit casual, but that's more an impression from social media posts, than actually knowing what went on.

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    @Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Dan54 i'd love to see more variety, close-close-close-wide-wide

    attack close to try and draw in some of their defenders...currently we fire it 10m out to a pod...that has 3 tacklers waiting for it because EVERYONE knows that thats what we're going to do

    Amen Kiwi, I have said before last test against Irish most of AB warm up I watched, they were going through 3 lots of pods and all 3 halfbacks were passing to player 2 or 3 wide, not once to a close runner.

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    @Dan54 not to mention the 2 right, then back left too...which is always good running back into the traffic form the last breakdown.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129367597/jason-ryans-path-from-club-footys-front-row-factory-to-all-blacks-forwards-coach?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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    @antipodean said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    Interesting in the same way that cancer is interesting.

    If Robertson wanted him, he must have rated him - which makes you wonder if the step up to Test level is a bit too much.

    you have to stop wondering if it's just the players who can't make tackles as opposed to the system

    There's a system?. To be fair, the D in the 22 is pretty good - but then they've had plenty of on-field opportunities to get that right I guess....

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in [Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes]

    To be fair, the D in the 22 is pretty good - but then they've had plenty of on-field opportunities to get that right I guess....

    I'd rather they stop teams before they get to the red zone....

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    @canefan yep, when on the line in a shallower set up we seem fine, were patches of excellent goal line defence, however, it was the ease with which they got there in the first place is of concern.

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    @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in [Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes]

    To be fair, the D in the 22 is pretty good - but then they've had plenty of on-field opportunities to get that right I guess....

    I'd rather they stop teams before they get to the red zone....

    And also actually try to win the ball back occasionally, so it occasionally doesn't reach the red yellowcard zone.

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    @Rapido said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in [Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes]

    To be fair, the D in the 22 is pretty good - but then they've had plenty of on-field opportunities to get that right I guess....

    I'd rather they stop teams before they get to the red zone....

    And also actually try to win the ball back occasionally, so it occasionally doesn't reach the red yellowcard zone.

    Turnovers? Now there's an idea đź’ˇ

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    @Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @antipodean first loss to Ireland was 2016 so think the rot had already started

    Fucking hell, almost 8 years ago! It still feels like only a couple. That wound just won't heal...

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    @Bones geez doesn't feel more than 6 to me

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    @ARHS said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:

    @Bones geez doesn't feel more than 6 to me

    What's a math

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    Stuart Barnes

    New Zealand captain Sam Cane isn’t even good enough to get in the Italy side, let alone lead the All Blacks to a World Cup

    New Zealand captain Sam Cane isn’t even good enough to get in the Italy side, let alone lead the All Blacks to a World Cup

    The odds against New Zealand regaining the World Cup are growing. Ireland’s first series win on Kiwi soil was an opportunity for this legendary rugby land to re

    Barnes is one of the few NH scribes who doesn't hide his love for NZ rugby and the ABs. Even he is getting in on the bandwagon...

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-zealand-captain-sam-cane-isn-t-even-good-enough-to-get-in-the-italy-side-let-alone-lead-the-all-blacks-to-a-world-cup-f9ck9tvbd

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    @stodders Barnes has a distinguished career in making laughably idiotic pronouncements.

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