Foster, Robertson etc
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It's nice that Foz is plainly a humble and decent man. But most great coaches marched to their own drum, and they had a bit of the devil to them - Henry, Woodward, Eddie Jones, Erasmus and Razor ( These guys are all capable of thriving in extreme environments.) Fozzie would be most at ease in a tearoom outside Tirau scoffing a lamington.
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It's nice that Foz is plainly a humble and decent man. But most great coaches marched to their own drum, and they had a bit of the devil to them - Henry, Woodward, Eddie Jones, Erasmus and Razor ( These guys are all capable of thriving in extreme environments.) Fozzie would be most at ease in a tearoom outside Tirau scoffing a lamington.
@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
It's nice that Foz is plainly a humble and decent man. But most great coaches marched to their own drum, and they had a bit of the devil to them - Henry, Woodward, Eddie Jones, Erasmus and Razor ( These guys are all capable of thriving in extreme environments.) Fozzie would be most at ease in a tearoom outside Tirau scoffing a lamington.
Managed to throw a subtle fat joke in there at the end.
THAT is ferning.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
In a sport like rugby where the application of the laws isn’t always easy - “no two situations are the same” - there has to be an element of playing to the ref. Call it playing “close to the line” or “on the edge”, or “getting in the refs ear”, but really what that means is putting doubt in the ref’s mind to not blow a penalty and for you and your team to get an advantage.
No doubt that the more you are able to exploit that will come a confidence in what you are doing. The good players will be able to do that. The great players can do that and also adjust when required.
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@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
In a sport like rugby where the application of the laws isn’t always easy - “no two situations are the same” - there has to be an element of playing to the ref. Call it playing “close to the line” or “on the edge”, or “getting in the refs ear”, but really what that means is putting doubt in the ref’s mind to not blow a penalty and for you and your team to get an advantage.
No doubt that the more you are able to exploit that will come a confidence in what you are doing. The good players will be able to do that. The great players can do that and also adjust when required.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
In a sport like rugby where the application of the laws isn’t always easy - “no two situations are the same” - there has to be an element of playing to the ref. Call it playing “close to the line” or “on the edge”, or “getting in the refs ear”, but really what that means is putting doubt in the ref’s mind to not blow a penalty and for you and your team to get an advantage.
No doubt that the more you are able to exploit that will come a confidence in what you are doing. The good players will be able to do that. The great players can do that and also adjust when required.
McCaw got better at manipulating the refs as he went on. Fitzy too
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@Frank said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I can actually see what Foster is trying to do but his ideas are being headed off at the pass before they can even get settled.
What is he trying to do?
See two posts above yours for some examples.
I'm not excusing his results or abilities just thinking a wee bit beyond 'the guy is useless'@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I'm not excusing his results or abilities just thinking a wee bit beyond 'the guy is useless'
Heretic
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
In a sport like rugby where the application of the laws isn’t always easy - “no two situations are the same” - there has to be an element of playing to the ref. Call it playing “close to the line” or “on the edge”, or “getting in the refs ear”, but really what that means is putting doubt in the ref’s mind to not blow a penalty and for you and your team to get an advantage.
No doubt that the more you are able to exploit that will come a confidence in what you are doing. The good players will be able to do that. The great players can do that and also adjust when required.
McCaw got better at manipulating the refs as he went on. Fitzy too
@canefan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nzzp said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@nostrildamus My problem with Marx is that he is not going for the ball, he is going for the penalty. He leans on the player and holds the ball into the player. Ref sees a picture and .....
Well the captain or the coach needs to have a word. We weren't helped by the ref but when have we last played the ref well? I can't honestly remember!
we seem to sit back passively and let the ref figure out on their own what's going wrong.
I fundamentally disagree about teams waving arms at the refs, but every other bloody side is doing it. We're not good enough at the moment to take the moral high ground; get in his ear and influence.
Cane shoudl be spending a bit of time with McCaw to get his knowledge. Lines like 'is that the standard now sir' is just respectful and clear and enables people to then push right to the limit. Far more 'us' than screaming and flapping arms.
In a sport like rugby where the application of the laws isn’t always easy - “no two situations are the same” - there has to be an element of playing to the ref. Call it playing “close to the line” or “on the edge”, or “getting in the refs ear”, but really what that means is putting doubt in the ref’s mind to not blow a penalty and for you and your team to get an advantage.
No doubt that the more you are able to exploit that will come a confidence in what you are doing. The good players will be able to do that. The great players can do that and also adjust when required.
McCaw got better at manipulating the refs as he went on. Fitzy too
Like players, refs evolve and try to get better at their craft too. They aren’t robots either and with the expansion of the game, we are getting younger less experienced refs out there in test matches.
They are watching video of game situations and being assessed on their performances too, so they will be influenced by not only what the laws are but by what they learn in certain situations. And a factor in that is what the players are doing and saying around them.
Now how that explains what happened at the death in the 3rd Lions test in 2017, I do not know
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No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
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@Damo said in Will Foster go?:
If we lose this week he'll be gone.
The smart move by the Boks will be to throw this game.
Get that on the billboards in downtown Jo’berg and outside Ellis Park
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@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
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@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
Sex is like haircuts, parking, petrol and hotels.
I never pay for any of it.
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@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
Sex is like haircuts, parking, petrol and hotels.
I never pay for any of it.
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
Sex is like haircuts, parking, petrol and hotels.
I never pay for any of it.
Gotta love the company card.
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@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
Sex is like haircuts, parking, petrol and hotels.
I never pay for any of it.
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
Sex is like haircuts, parking, petrol and hotels.
I never
pay forget any of it.Gotcha
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@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
Sex is like haircuts, parking, petrol and hotels.
I never
pay forget any of it.Gotcha
@Machpants said in Will Foster go?:
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
@MN5 said in Will Foster go?:
@Bones said in Will Foster go?:
No way he will do the honourable thing. His selection of hookers and reasoning for it tells you everything you need to know about his thought process and respectability.
Married men have their vices when on the road I guess.
Spoken like a true divorced traveling salesman?
Sex is like haircuts, parking, petrol and hotels.
I never
pay forget any of it.Gotcha
True, it is fucken hard in the CBD sometimes
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@Damo said in Will Foster go?:
If we lose this week he'll be gone.
The smart move by the Boks will be to throw this game.
If that was the case, it would be interesting to see who was tapped on the shoulder to step up in the interim.
Surely even NZR wouldn't be contemplating it without speaking to some prospective candidates. And there's a distinct lack of whispers being leaked.
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@Damo said in Will Foster go?:
If we lose this week he'll be gone.
The smart move by the Boks will be to throw this game.
If that was the case, it would be interesting to see who was tapped on the shoulder to step up in the interim.
Surely even NZR wouldn't be contemplating it without speaking to some prospective candidates. And there's a distinct lack of whispers being leaked.
@antipodean said in Will Foster go?:
@Damo said in Will Foster go?:
If we lose this week he'll be gone.
The smart move by the Boks will be to throw this game.
If that was the case, it would be interesting to see who was tapped on the shoulder to step up in the interim.
Surely even NZR wouldn't be contemplating it without speaking to some prospective candidates. And there's a distinct lack of whispers being leaked.
Schmidt has stayed behind in NZ. If they need an interim coach he is already there, and NZ play two back to back games in NZ against Argentina, so Schmidt doesn't have to travel.
But that sounds far too organised for the NZRU
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@Damo said in Will Foster go?:
If we lose this week he'll be gone.
The smart move by the Boks will be to throw this game.
If that was the case, it would be interesting to see who was tapped on the shoulder to step up in the interim.
Surely even NZR wouldn't be contemplating it without speaking to some prospective candidates. And there's a distinct lack of whispers being leaked.
@antipodean said in Will Foster go?:
Surely even NZR wouldn't be contemplating it without speaking to some prospective candidates. And there's a distinct lack of whispers being leaked
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@antipodean said in Will Foster go?:
@Damo said in Will Foster go?:
If we lose this week he'll be gone.
The smart move by the Boks will be to throw this game.
If that was the case, it would be interesting to see who was tapped on the shoulder to step up in the interim.
Surely even NZR wouldn't be contemplating it without speaking to some prospective candidates. And there's a distinct lack of whispers being leaked.
Schmidt has stayed behind in NZ. If they need an interim coach he is already there, and NZ play two back to back games in NZ against Argentina, so Schmidt doesn't have to travel.
But that sounds far too organised for the NZRU
@stodders It'll be Eddie Jones coaching by Zoom!
