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Springboks v All Blacks 2

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    In order to strengthen the forwards cohesion, why not try established combinations ? This means the Chiefs front row (Ross - Taukeiaho - Ta'avao with the Crusaders front row on the bench Bower - Taylor - Newell) + the Crusaders locks (Barrett - Whitelock with Va'ai on the bench) + the Blues loose forwards (Ioane - Papalii - Sotutu with Savea on the bench) ? It has zero chance to happen though.

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    • NepiaN Nepia

      @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

      Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

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      Crucial
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      @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

      Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

      Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

      He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
      Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

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      • C cgrant

        In order to strengthen the forwards cohesion, why not try established combinations ? This means the Chiefs front row (Ross - Taukeiaho - Ta'avao with the Crusaders front row on the bench Bower - Taylor - Newell) + the Crusaders locks (Barrett - Whitelock with Va'ai on the bench) + the Blues loose forwards (Ioane - Papalii - Sotutu with Savea on the bench) ? It has zero chance to happen though.

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        Crucial
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        @cgrant said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

        In order to strengthen the forwards cohesion, why not try established combinations ? This means the Chiefs front row (Ross - Taukeiaho - Ta'avao with the Crusaders front row on the bench Bower - Taylor - Newell) + the Crusaders locks (Barrett - Whitelock with Va'ai on the bench) + the Blues loose forwards (Ioane - Papalii - Sotutu with Savea on the bench) ? It has zero chance to happen though.

        Carry that through and you end up with 9-13 being Blues.

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          @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

          Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

          He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
          Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

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          @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

          Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

          Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

          He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
          Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

          and Frizzell does?

          I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6

          But i am convinced by the absolute mountain of evidence that Frizzell isn't

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          • CrucialC Crucial

            @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

            Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

            He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
            Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

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            Nepia
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            #377

            @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

            Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

            Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

            He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
            Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

            Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

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            • C cgrant

              In order to strengthen the forwards cohesion, why not try established combinations ? This means the Chiefs front row (Ross - Taukeiaho - Ta'avao with the Crusaders front row on the bench Bower - Taylor - Newell) + the Crusaders locks (Barrett - Whitelock with Va'ai on the bench) + the Blues loose forwards (Ioane - Papalii - Sotutu with Savea on the bench) ? It has zero chance to happen though.

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              mariner4life
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              @cgrant said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

              In order to strengthen the forwards cohesion, why not try established combinations ? This means the Chiefs front row (Ross - Taukeiaho - Ta'avao with the Crusaders front row on the bench Bower - Taylor - Newell) + the Crusaders locks (Barrett - Whitelock with Va'ai on the bench) + the Blues loose forwards (Ioane - Papalii - Sotutu with Savea on the bench) ? It has zero chance to happen though.

              i get the idea but

              The problems are not that they aren't used to playing together, it's that they aren't used to playing this way together. We're gonna have the same problems with different faces. You aren't picking the Blues loosies to play like the Blues loosies, you are picking 3 guys who play at the Blues to be the AB loosies.

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                @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                and Frizzell does?

                I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6

                But i am convinced by the absolute mountain of evidence that Frizzell isn't

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                Bones
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                #379

                @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6

                Thing is though, with the way the team is going, are we even convinced of anyone? Bower was going from strength to strength and even he is now on a downward slide. Jordan is nowhere, despite him being the big showpiece last year. Scooter goes in fits and starts and doesn't know if he's a 6 or 4. Smith was in the top couple of HB's in the world last year, now he's just a hospital pass merchant. Beauden, the guy who's been world player of the year twice is reminiscent of Donald. The list goes on and on...

                Taukieaho is showing his worth, but even he looks pretty average surrounded by no support.

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                • BonesB Bones

                  @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                  I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6

                  Thing is though, with the way the team is going, are we even convinced of anyone? Bower was going from strength to strength and even he is now on a downward slide. Jordan is nowhere, despite him being the big showpiece last year. Scooter goes in fits and starts and doesn't know if he's a 6 or 4. Smith was in the top couple of HB's in the world last year, now he's just a hospital pass merchant. Beauden, the guy who's been world player of the year twice is reminiscent of Donald. The list goes on and on...

                  Taukieaho is showing his worth, but even he looks pretty average surrounded by no support.

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                  @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                  @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                  I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6

                  Thing is though, with the way the team is going, are we even convinced of anyone? Bower was going from strength to strength and even he is now on a downward slide. Jordan is nowhere, despite him being the big showpiece last year. Scooter goes in fits and starts and doesn't know if he's a 6 or 4. Smith was in the top couple of HB's in the world last year, now he's just a hospital pass merchant. Beauden, the guy who's been world player of the year twice is reminiscent of Donald. The list goes on and on...

                  Taukieaho is showing his worth, but even he looks pretty average surrounded by no support.

                  6 runs for 15 metres and he was lauded….

                  Next we’ll be claiming moral victories when we have close losses.

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                    @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                    @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                    I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6

                    Thing is though, with the way the team is going, are we even convinced of anyone? Bower was going from strength to strength and even he is now on a downward slide. Jordan is nowhere, despite him being the big showpiece last year. Scooter goes in fits and starts and doesn't know if he's a 6 or 4. Smith was in the top couple of HB's in the world last year, now he's just a hospital pass merchant. Beauden, the guy who's been world player of the year twice is reminiscent of Donald. The list goes on and on...

                    Taukieaho is showing his worth, but even he looks pretty average surrounded by no support.

                    6 runs for 15 metres and he was lauded….

                    Next we’ll be claiming moral victories when we have close losses.

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                    Bones
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                    #381

                    @ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                    close losses

                    Imagine how good the performance would have to be to achieve that.

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                    • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                      @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                      @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                      I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6

                      Thing is though, with the way the team is going, are we even convinced of anyone? Bower was going from strength to strength and even he is now on a downward slide. Jordan is nowhere, despite him being the big showpiece last year. Scooter goes in fits and starts and doesn't know if he's a 6 or 4. Smith was in the top couple of HB's in the world last year, now he's just a hospital pass merchant. Beauden, the guy who's been world player of the year twice is reminiscent of Donald. The list goes on and on...

                      Taukieaho is showing his worth, but even he looks pretty average surrounded by no support.

                      6 runs for 15 metres and he was lauded….

                      Next we’ll be claiming moral victories when we have close losses.

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                      Nepia
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                      #382

                      @ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                      @Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                      @mariner4life said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                      I am not yet 100% convinced Ioane is the answer at 6

                      Thing is though, with the way the team is going, are we even convinced of anyone? Bower was going from strength to strength and even he is now on a downward slide. Jordan is nowhere, despite him being the big showpiece last year. Scooter goes in fits and starts and doesn't know if he's a 6 or 4. Smith was in the top couple of HB's in the world last year, now he's just a hospital pass merchant. Beauden, the guy who's been world player of the year twice is reminiscent of Donald. The list goes on and on...

                      Taukieaho is showing his worth, but even he looks pretty average surrounded by no support.

                      6 runs for 15 metres and he was lauded….

                      Next we’ll be claiming moral victories when we have close losses.

                      Scott Barrett is lauded for less. 😉

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                      • NepiaN Nepia

                        @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                        Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                        He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                        Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                        Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

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                        Crucial
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                        @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                        Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                        Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                        He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                        Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                        Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

                        The first part of the post was obviously a joke (both ways)
                        The second a possible reason for looking elsewhere. There wasn’t much strength and speed in Akiras play on the weekend

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                          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-lost-their-edge-years-ago/

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                          • CrucialC Crucial

                            @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                            Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                            He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                            Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                            Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

                            The first part of the post was obviously a joke (both ways)
                            The second a possible reason for looking elsewhere. There wasn’t much strength and speed in Akiras play on the weekend

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                            Nepia
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                            @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                            Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                            Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                            He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                            Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                            Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

                            The first part of the post was obviously a joke (both ways)
                            The second a possible reason for looking elsewhere. There wasn’t much strength and speed in Akiras play on the weekend

                            He managed to make more metres and tackles than Scooter so once he gets the "look" down pat he'll be right. 😉

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                            • NepiaN Nepia

                              @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                              Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                              He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                              Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                              Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

                              The first part of the post was obviously a joke (both ways)
                              The second a possible reason for looking elsewhere. There wasn’t much strength and speed in Akiras play on the weekend

                              He managed to make more metres and tackles than Scooter so once he gets the "look" down pat he'll be right. 😉

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                              Crucial
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                              @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                              Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                              Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                              He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                              Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                              Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

                              The first part of the post was obviously a joke (both ways)
                              The second a possible reason for looking elsewhere. There wasn’t much strength and speed in Akiras play on the weekend

                              He managed to make more metres and tackles than Scooter so once he gets the "look" down pat he'll be right. 😉

                              The Naki Hillbilly look?

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                              • TimT Tim

                                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-lost-their-edge-years-ago/

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                                @Tim funny how most here have seen the issues showing since 2017, but was really 2019 when things really came to the fore, covid kinda hid it, but also accelerated it, so now here we are, staring at 4 in a row, 6 from our last 7 even!

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                                • CrucialC Crucial

                                  @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                                  Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                                  He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                                  Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                                  Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

                                  The first part of the post was obviously a joke (both ways)
                                  The second a possible reason for looking elsewhere. There wasn’t much strength and speed in Akiras play on the weekend

                                  He managed to make more metres and tackles than Scooter so once he gets the "look" down pat he'll be right. 😉

                                  The Naki Hillbilly look?

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                                  @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                  Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                                  Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                                  He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                                  Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                                  Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

                                  The first part of the post was obviously a joke (both ways)
                                  The second a possible reason for looking elsewhere. There wasn’t much strength and speed in Akiras play on the weekend

                                  He managed to make more metres and tackles than Scooter so once he gets the "look" down pat he'll be right. 😉

                                  The Naki Hillbilly look?

                                  https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0381707/

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                                    Watching Townsville, and then Squidge analysis of Wobblies win over Boks, it is apparent that Rennie tactic of 10 standing 3-5m deeper worked better than Foster flat positioning.
                                    Couple of reasons:

                                    1. Flat and Bok outside in rush leaves no margin for error in passing. In both Townsville and last Saturday ABs made numerous errors under pressure. And flat means easier for Boks loosies to swoop.
                                    2. Bok system means 14 and 13 come in on slight fish hook/inverted dog leg shape. Having to cover the extra metres accentuates that and creates a gap, which Rennie had designed plays to exploit.
                                      We’ll have to wait and see whether or not Foster has seen fit to introduce variation…
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                                    • BonesB Bones

                                      @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                      @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                      @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                      @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                      @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                      @Nepia said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                      @pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                      Hunch that Frizell will get 6.

                                      Sadly I expect this to be the case. This might be my breaking point with this team. 😉

                                      He creates points though. Even if it is both ways.
                                      Some may not like the truth but Akira doesn’t cut it. Reaction time too slow at this level.

                                      Why on earth would you claim Akira doesn't cut it when discussing Frizzell coming in? He got points as he was a fresh replacement able to keep up with the attack. In the last Irish test Akira created points out of strength and speed.

                                      The first part of the post was obviously a joke (both ways)
                                      The second a possible reason for looking elsewhere. There wasn’t much strength and speed in Akiras play on the weekend

                                      He managed to make more metres and tackles than Scooter so once he gets the "look" down pat he'll be right. 😉

                                      The Naki Hillbilly look?

                                      https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0381707/

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                                      Crucial
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                                      @Bones this is how I picture Scooter Barrett on his days off

                                      7D30EF7F-FF5F-4D14-B468-353872FE8A7D.jpeg

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                                      • CrucialC Crucial

                                        @Bones this is how I picture Scooter Barrett on his days off

                                        7D30EF7F-FF5F-4D14-B468-353872FE8A7D.jpeg

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                                        @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

                                        @Bones this is how I picture Scooter Barrett on his days off

                                        7D30EF7F-FF5F-4D14-B468-353872FE8A7D.jpeg

                                        According to @Nepia that was him last Saturday

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                                          I see the Boss there too. Mark Robinson waddling around. Keeping a closer eye on Fozzie.

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