Foster, Robertson etc
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The ass covering has to stop.
Start using the best SR coach.
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@Machpants said in Foster:
@reprobate Not disputing his ability to pass just questioning the way he’s directing the forward pack.
And the fact he doesn't run, he is a one trick pony, he's the Pocock of nines ATM
He ran in Bokke 2. You don't have to run often, once or twice to keep defences thinking it's a possibility.
Also, we didn't hear 'one trick pony' after Ireland 1.
You know what you get with AS, he's got teh best pass in the game, but if he's not running it's on the coaches eventually.
You can only run at halfback when you get quick ball with the defence on the backfoot. If he's not getting either of those it is a crazy expectation.
@Machpants said in Foster:
@reprobate Not disputing his ability to pass just questioning the way he’s directing the forward pack.
And the fact he doesn't run, he is a one trick pony, he's the Pocock of nines ATM
He ran in Bokke 2. You don't have to run often, once or twice to keep defences thinking it's a possibility.
Also, we didn't hear 'one trick pony' after Ireland 1.
You know what you get with AS, he's got teh best pass in the game, but if he's not running it's on the coaches eventually.
You can only run at halfback when you get quick ball with the defence on the backfoot. If he's not getting either of those it is a crazy expectation.
Will Genia says "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????"
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Aaron Smith coming off with 20 to go was poor as well. He was playing OK, but more to the point what we needed was experience and cool heads, not a guy with basically no experience.
He was playing dog shit by then. Like the rest of 'em. Christie needs a start now.
Not on the form he displayed this year. Like an excitable puppy with the passing to match.
@antipodean said in Foster:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster:
Aaron Smith coming off with 20 to go was poor as well. He was playing OK, but more to the point what we needed was experience and cool heads, not a guy with basically no experience.
He was playing dog shit by then. Like the rest of 'em. Christie needs a start now.
Not on the form he displayed this year. Like an excitable puppy with the passing to match.
Give Christie a start. Can it be worse that what it is right now?
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Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
You might need to go back and watch a bit more tape. DC regularly dropped back from the defensive line. It was an important tactic to our kick reception game because of his sweeping left boot. Sure he tackled in the defensive line in set pierce (as does Beaudie and Richie), but DC’s technique and timing as a tackler, for not a big guy, was exceptional.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?
So then it comes back to...what are the Crusaders doing differently to the ABs that make them so successful? They look a million $ in the red and black...
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This is something of a must watch for everyone on the Fern about where the ABs are at right now. Gregory Paul clearly has very good sauces and he is talking very openly here.
Key points if you don't have time to watch it all.
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NZR were very keen to bring Joe Schmidt in because of his knowledge of Ireland and Six Nations Rugby. They think that will help the team at the next RWC.
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Joe Schmidt felt loyalty to Ian Foster so was only going to work with him. Joe Schmidt is in the driver's seat to take over from Foster post-2023 RWC.
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Razor thinks the ABs need a total clearout of staff from Head Coach to Masseur. Go back to Ground Zero. This is too radical/costly for NZR.
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England, Wales and Scotland are already thinking of Razor as their coach post 2023 RWC. Given Eddie Jones is retiring, don't be surprised if Razor is named as the next England coach in February or March.
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The Irish presenters can't believe how bad the All Blacks are at the moment and that NZR are letting a genius slip through their hands.
This is something of a must watch for everyone on the Fern about where the ABs are at right now. Gregory Paul clearly has very good sauces and he is talking very openly here.
Key points if you don't have time to watch it all.
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NZR were very keen to bring Joe Schmidt in because of his knowledge of Ireland and Six Nations Rugby. They think that will help the team at the next RWC.
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Joe Schmidt felt loyalty to Ian Foster so was only going to work with him. Joe Schmidt is in the driver's seat to take over from Foster post-2023 RWC.
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Razor thinks the ABs need a total clearout of staff from Head Coach to Masseur. Go back to Ground Zero. This is too radical/costly for NZR.
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England, Wales and Scotland are already thinking of Razor as their coach post 2023 RWC. Given Eddie Jones is retiring, don't be surprised if Razor is named as the next England coach in February or March.
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The Irish presenters can't believe how bad the All Blacks are at the moment and that NZR are letting a genius slip through their hands.
Hmmm. Other media sources said Robertson was lined up to take over and only the win in SA stopped it. So someone’s sauces are wrong.
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@Machpants Exactly. He’s really good when we have front foot ball and space but there’s no space and we haven’t earned the right to go wide. Maybe he can change his game and try to run around the rucks a little bit more, little kicks over the top etc to change things up. The opposition knows he is going to pass.
Addition if the others outside him I’m going to get out the game plan then as the first distributor he can change that right?
I hate to say it but a Marshall type player maybe the type of player we need right now.
@Machpants Exactly. He’s really good when we have front foot ball and space but there’s no space and we haven’t earned the right to go wide. Maybe he can change his game and try to run around the rucks a little bit more, little kicks over the top etc to change things up. The opposition knows he is going to pass.
Addition if the others outside him I’m going to get out the game plan then as the first distributor he can change that right?
I hate to say it but a Marshall type player maybe the type of player we need right now.
Give me Marshall, Jimmy Cowan or Byron Kelleher tucking it under the arm and pumping the legs into contact. yes boiiiii
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Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
You might need to go back and watch a bit more tape. DC regularly dropped back from the defensive line. It was an important tactic to our kick reception game because of his sweeping left boot. Sure he tackled in the defensive line in set pierce (as does Beaudie and Richie), but DC’s technique and timing as a tackler, for not a big guy, was exceptional.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
You might need to go back and watch a bit more tape. DC regularly dropped back from the defensive line. It was an important tactic to our kick reception game because of his sweeping left boot. Sure he tackled in the defensive line in set pierce (as does Beaudie and Richie), but DC’s technique and timing as a tackler, for not a big guy, was exceptional.
Fair enough. He just always seemed a more independent 10. No fuss.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
You might need to go back and watch a bit more tape. DC regularly dropped back from the defensive line. It was an important tactic to our kick reception game because of his sweeping left boot. Sure he tackled in the defensive line in set pierce (as does Beaudie and Richie), but DC’s technique and timing as a tackler, for not a big guy, was exceptional.
Fair enough. He just always seemed a more independent 10. No fuss.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
Think about who the leadership group are
Aaron Smith, Beaudy, Cane, Etc are involved
Quiet diminutive fellas .
Need some more McCaws, Reads , Carters that people will actually listen to.
Carter didn’t have to be hidden in the back field . He would put you on your arse and try and flog the ball .
We are hiding our tens in the back field and hooking our captain at 60 minutes.
It’s a shambles
You might need to go back and watch a bit more tape. DC regularly dropped back from the defensive line. It was an important tactic to our kick reception game because of his sweeping left boot. Sure he tackled in the defensive line in set pierce (as does Beaudie and Richie), but DC’s technique and timing as a tackler, for not a big guy, was exceptional.
Fair enough. He just always seemed a more independent 10. No fuss.
We are talking the greatest 10 to ever play the game. He was our first 10 for a long, long time that could tackle and tackled hard. He was good over the ball as well but his greatest asset I believe was his ability to gain territory with his raking punts that our 10s right now cannot seem to find. his finest game is widely regarded as that Lion's test but for me, what cemented his greatness was the 2015 SF and F where out of nowhere he snapped two really big drop goals.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?
So then it comes back to...what are the Crusaders doing differently to the ABs that make them so successful? They look a million $ in the red and black...
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
They look a million $ in the red and black
Big difference between Super Rugby and Test Rugby though.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
They look a million $ in the red and black
Big difference between Super Rugby and Test Rugby though.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
They look a million $ in the red and black
Big difference between Super Rugby and Test Rugby though.
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them? Lets not forget, it's not like Argentina have a domestic comp to build cohesion from.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
They look a million $ in the red and black
Big difference between Super Rugby and Test Rugby though.
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them? Lets not forget, it's not like Argentina have a domestic comp to build cohesion from.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
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@Machpants Exactly. He’s really good when we have front foot ball and space but there’s no space and we haven’t earned the right to go wide. Maybe he can change his game and try to run around the rucks a little bit more, little kicks over the top etc to change things up. The opposition knows he is going to pass.
Addition if the others outside him I’m going to get out the game plan then as the first distributor he can change that right?
I hate to say it but a Marshall type player maybe the type of player we need right now.
Give me Marshall, Jimmy Cowan or Byron Kelleher tucking it under the arm and pumping the legs into contact. yes boiiiii
@Machpants Exactly. He’s really good when we have front foot ball and space but there’s no space and we haven’t earned the right to go wide. Maybe he can change his game and try to run around the rucks a little bit more, little kicks over the top etc to change things up. The opposition knows he is going to pass.
Addition if the others outside him I’m going to get out the game plan then as the first distributor he can change that right?
I hate to say it but a Marshall type player maybe the type of player we need right now.
Give me Marshall, Jimmy Cowan or Byron Kelleher tucking it under the arm and pumping the legs into contact. yes boiiiii
BK was exceptional at sniping from the base. Will Genia gave me the shits because of this. Problem is though, if Nuggy snipes, will we have two big oaks up his ass cleaning out? I'm not so sure.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
Bit silly to blame the coach for the gap between Test & Super Rugby. It's like arguing Razor's a shit coach because every player who's outstanding at NPC level doesn't become a Crusaders superstar.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
Bit silly to blame the coach for the gap between Test & Super Rugby. It's like arguing Razor's a shit coach because every player who's outstanding at NPC level doesn't become a Crusaders superstar.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
Bit silly to blame the coach for the gap between Test & Super Rugby. It's like arguing Razor's a shit coach because every player who's outstanding at NPC level doesn't become a Crusaders superstar.
? Are we not arguing the opposite? Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
Bit silly to blame the coach for the gap between Test & Super Rugby. It's like arguing Razor's a shit coach because every player who's outstanding at NPC level doesn't become a Crusaders superstar.
? Are we not arguing the opposite? Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
Bit silly to blame the coach for the gap between Test & Super Rugby. It's like arguing Razor's a shit coach because every player who's outstanding at NPC level doesn't become a Crusaders superstar.
? Are we not arguing the opposite? Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
Considering that you could argue Foster has never gotten the best out of his teams, I think that point about Razor is quite important. It remains to be seen if he can translate it to test level. But at least he's won stuff
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Absolutely but how is it Razor appears to get them working cohesively as a unit where Fozzie can't get more than 40 mins out of them?
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Different level of intensity at Test level. George Bridge can look a million dollars at SR level.
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Perhaps the Forwards coaching isn't up to par or needs more work.
He also had Hansen version 4 and Foster as an ABs head coach so there's that.
Bit silly to blame the coach for the gap between Test & Super Rugby. It's like arguing Razor's a shit coach because every player who's outstanding at NPC level doesn't become a Crusaders superstar.
? Are we not arguing the opposite? Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
So does the bloke who coaches the Bodmin 2nd XV. Doesn't mean those players would succeed at 6N level....
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
So does the bloke who coaches the Bodmin 2nd XV. Doesn't mean those players would succeed at 6N level....
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Razor seems to get players playing well for him?
So does the bloke who coaches the Bodmin 2nd XV. Doesn't mean those players would succeed at 6N level....
So what, Foster's coaching is fine but we just don't have the cattle to beat Argentina at home all of a sudden?
Because our players are only good at super level? As opposed to the all time greats littered through the Argentinian, South African and Irish sides? -
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?
So then it comes back to...what are the Crusaders doing differently to the ABs that make them so successful? They look a million $ in the red and black...
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Pretty funny justifications going on here for Taylor. How many Tests does it take to learn to take a half step and throw it down the middle?
Was kinda important.
If there is any accountability left in selection he’d be gone. Stunk up the joint for 35 minutes.
Also - wasn't it an all Crusaders tight 5 when he came on (and wasn't that the point)?
So then it comes back to...what are the Crusaders doing differently to the ABs that make them so successful? They look a million $ in the red and black...
Not always though. And super rugby teams don't seem to be as strong overall as they were in the past.
