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  • BonesB Bones

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @Bones said in Foster:

    The Crusaders would get torn a new one by Ireland, South Africa and Argentina.

    I am not so sure on that.

    I am. They don't even have a forwards coach.

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    @Bones said in Foster:

    @Chris said in Foster:

    @Bones said in Foster:

    The Crusaders would get torn a new one by Ireland, South Africa and Argentina.

    I am not so sure on that.

    I am. They don't even have a forwards coach.

    They do Dave Perrin, Jason Ryan’s apprentice he will do just fine.
    And they don’t have Foster or McLeod.

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    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

      @number9 said in Foster:

      @Victor-Meldrew Razor, obviously. His record speaks for itself.

      Absolutely. So good he doesn't need to actually coach a Test team to be the world's best.

      The Chuck Norris of Rugby coaches, I tell you.

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      ARHS
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      @Victor-Meldrew thought he was going on about someone with success at international level

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        @Victor-Meldrew thought he was going on about someone with success at international level

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        @ARHS said in Foster:

        @Victor-Meldrew thought he was going on about someone with success at international level

        What like Foster creating all sorts of records to be proud of, and he has had 11 years of International experience.
        Overated international experience.
        Galthie had no International coaching experience until he coached France.He came straight out of Top14.

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        • ChrisC Chris

          @ARHS said in Foster:

          @Victor-Meldrew thought he was going on about someone with success at international level

          What like Foster creating all sorts of records to be proud of, and he has had 11 years of International experience.
          Overated international experience.
          Galthie had no International coaching experience until he coached France.He came straight out of Top14.

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          @Chris said in Foster:

          Galthie had no International coaching experience until he coached France.He came straight out of Top14.

          Then again, Guy Novès won multiple titles with Toulouse but was a failure with France. You just never know either way...

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          • BovidaeB Bovidae

            @Chris said in Foster:

            Galthie had no International coaching experience until he coached France.He came straight out of Top14.

            Then again, Guy Novès won multiple titles with Toulouse but was a failure with France. You just never know either way...

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            @Bovidae said in Foster:

            @Chris said in Foster:

            Galthie had no International coaching experience until he coached France.He came straight out of Top14.

            Then again, Guy Novès won multiple titles with Toulouse but was a failure with France. You just never know either way...

            I agree but to keep banging on International experience as a must is short sighted in my opinion.
            Certainly limits your selection process, as there is a lot of inadequate International coaches out there.

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            • BonesB Bones

              The Crusaders would get torn a new one by Ireland, South Africa and Argentina.

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              Asterik6
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              @Bones said in Foster:

              The Crusaders would get torn a new one by Ireland, South Africa and Argentina.

              But the Jaguares in 2019/18 were the entire Argentina squad (all of them) and Crusaders dominated 19-3 in the final..

              The only other Crusader's encounter (2018 season) they got destroyed 48-17 in Buenos Aires.

              All current evidence hints that Razor is a phenomenonal coach.

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              • A Asterik6

                @Bones said in Foster:

                The Crusaders would get torn a new one by Ireland, South Africa and Argentina.

                But the Jaguares in 2019/18 were the entire Argentina squad (all of them) and Crusaders dominated 19-3 in the final..

                The only other Crusader's encounter (2018 season) they got destroyed 48-17 in Buenos Aires.

                All current evidence hints that Razor is a phenomenonal coach.

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                @Asterik6 said in Foster:

                @Bones said in Foster:

                The Crusaders would get torn a new one by Ireland, South Africa and Argentina.

                But the Jaguares in 2019/18 were the entire Argentina squad (all of them) and Crusaders dominated 19-3 in the final..

                The only other Crusader's encounter (2018 season) they got destroyed 48-17 in Buenos Aires.

                All current evidence hints that Razor is a phenomenonal coach.

                Further to that 15 Springboks were in the 2017 Lions 23 that lost in the Final to the Crusaders at Ellis Park.

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                • S SBW1

                  @Machpants Tamati Ellison did a pretty good job at the Crusaders this year.

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                  @SBW1 said in Foster:

                  @Machpants Tamati Ellison did a pretty good job at the Crusaders this year.

                  And Wellington have improved out of sight this year Still plenty to go but if they hold the shield Ellison will be one to watch maybe

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                    @Asterik6 @Chris Well in that case, even the highlanders would smoke them.

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                    • BonesB Bones

                      @Asterik6 @Chris Well in that case, even the highlanders would smoke them.

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                      @Bones said in Foster:

                      @Asterik6 @Chris Well in that case, even the highlanders would smoke them.

                      Smoke them lunch maybe, Nice smoked Brisket.

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                        A record for Fozzie ...

                        https://twitter.com/nzrugbydatabase/status/1573604796778442752?t=5BaQIcAlRQIi6nLUidCBwA&s=19

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                        • boobooB booboo

                          A record for Fozzie ...

                          https://twitter.com/nzrugbydatabase/status/1573604796778442752?t=5BaQIcAlRQIi6nLUidCBwA&s=19

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                          nostrildamus
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                          @booboo I'm sure Henry would love to have that sort of record against the ninth ranked team..

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                            So Foster wins a third Rugby Championship (well second plus one Tri-Nations) to go with three consecutive Beldisloes and three consecutive Freedom Cups.

                            Winning percentage at 66% (68% if you into count the draw which I usually do) is still a little under par.

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                              Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

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                              • boobooB booboo

                                So Foster wins a third Rugby Championship (well second plus one Tri-Nations) to go with three consecutive Beldisloes and three consecutive Freedom Cups.

                                Winning percentage at 66% (68% if you into count the draw which I usually do) is still a little under par.

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                                @booboo said in Foster:

                                So Foster wins a third Rugby Championship (well second plus one Tri-Nations) to go with three consecutive Beldisloes and three consecutive Freedom Cups.

                                Winning percentage at 66% (68% if you into count the draw which I usually do) is still a little under par.

                                And one brain fade away from losing the RC.Thanks to Foley.

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                                • ChrisC Chris

                                  @booboo said in Foster:

                                  So Foster wins a third Rugby Championship (well second plus one Tri-Nations) to go with three consecutive Beldisloes and three consecutive Freedom Cups.

                                  Winning percentage at 66% (68% if you into count the draw which I usually do) is still a little under par.

                                  And one brain fade away from losing the RC.Thanks to Foley.

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                                  @Chris said in Foster:

                                  @booboo said in Foster:

                                  So Foster wins a third Rugby Championship (well second plus one Tri-Nations) to go with three consecutive Beldisloes and three consecutive Freedom Cups.

                                  Winning percentage at 66% (68% if you into count the draw which I usually do) is still a little under par.

                                  And one brain fade away from losing the RC.Thanks to Foley.

                                  Fish and chip paper.

                                  Close results happen all the time.

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                                  • boobooB booboo

                                    @Chris said in Foster:

                                    @booboo said in Foster:

                                    So Foster wins a third Rugby Championship (well second plus one Tri-Nations) to go with three consecutive Beldisloes and three consecutive Freedom Cups.

                                    Winning percentage at 66% (68% if you into count the draw which I usually do) is still a little under par.

                                    And one brain fade away from losing the RC.Thanks to Foley.

                                    Fish and chip paper.

                                    Close results happen all the time.

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                                    @booboo said in Foster:

                                    @Chris said in Foster:

                                    @booboo said in Foster:

                                    So Foster wins a third Rugby Championship (well second plus one Tri-Nations) to go with three consecutive Beldisloes and three consecutive Freedom Cups.

                                    Winning percentage at 66% (68% if you into count the draw which I usually do) is still a little under par.

                                    And one brain fade away from losing the RC.Thanks to Foley.

                                    Fish and chip paper.

                                    Close results happen all the time.

                                    So do shit AB performances this year.

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                                    • voodooV voodoo

                                      @nzzp said in Foster:

                                      @voodoo said in Foster:

                                      Anyway, it's not the point. The point is that we haven't lost anyone to money when we wanted them back

                                      Huh - I thought the question was people we'd like back but we cuodln't afford. I'd love all those people on the list to be coaching in NZ, but we can't afford to pay them international rates. And they probably wouldn't come anyway.

                                      Maybe i misread, but I read it as people we would like to have back coaching the Ab's but we failed to get because we couldn't afford them. And that's none of those as far as I can see.

                                      As to whether we would want them all back coaching in Nz, I'd challenge that too. Do you think Scmidt learned more coaching Ireland than he would have staying coaching Bay of Plenty or the Chiefs?

                                      I dont necessarily buy into the "must have international experience before coaching the AB's" mantra, but I certainly don't see the harm in having a cohort coach offshore. The chance to coach in that environment, withbthat budget those quality players, to build a team around you, learn the media experience etc. Amd it also gives other younger coaches the chance to come through at NPC/Super level as assistants and HCs.

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                                      DaGrubster
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                                      @voodoo

                                      Of course the problem as well is the process and timing when we recruit coaches.

                                      For me, the brain drain (coaches) has had a bigger effect than the brawn drain (players).

                                      Meaning we don’t have the same quality coaches as we had and our players are receiving less quality coaching as a result.

                                      Secondly, our coaches being sought after and coaching elsewhere improved players in other countries and it also means they take a huge amount of IP with them.

                                      They earn more overseas which makes it hard to come back to NZ and coach here to get back in the system again and push to be an AB coach.

                                      The Ab head coach role has been a closed shop since 2008 really so it’s no wonder that no overseas based coach progressed at all through the hiring process in 2019.

                                      It’s why you end up with Fozzie as opposed to Joseph, Rennie etc.

                                      If the pathway is assistant coach then head coach, then I can’t see a high profile NZ coach coming back for an assistant role.

                                      At least we managed to secure Brad Moor for a decent fee to come back to coach the ABs 😂

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                                      • number9N number9

                                        Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

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                                        @number9 said in Foster:

                                        Foster is in charge of Media Relations, Jason Ryan and Schmidt are doing a great job coaching the ABs.

                                        So now when Foster's record doesn't look so bad, the head coach doesn't make any difference.

                                        Kinda blows the "Razor for Head AB Coach" argument out of the water, don't you think?

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                                        • ChrisC Chris

                                          @booboo said in Foster:

                                          @Chris said in Foster:

                                          @booboo said in Foster:

                                          So Foster wins a third Rugby Championship (well second plus one Tri-Nations) to go with three consecutive Beldisloes and three consecutive Freedom Cups.

                                          Winning percentage at 66% (68% if you into count the draw which I usually do) is still a little under par.

                                          And one brain fade away from losing the RC.Thanks to Foley.

                                          Fish and chip paper.

                                          Close results happen all the time.

                                          So do shit AB performances this year.

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                                          DaGrubster
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                                          @Chris

                                          Even great AB sides put in poor performances. Most of the time they would still win though!

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