All Blacks vs Scotland
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish Ioane to the bench, I can't see them starting him at wing.
I suspect that's where he's going to be in the first-choice line-up come World Cup time - might as well trial the axis of the backline against Scotland.
I'd be extremely surprised if he isn't starting at 13 against England, so they'll probably look to rest him rather than give him another start.
He's only played one game on this tour, I don't think he needs a rest just yet.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish Ioane to the bench, I can't see them starting him at wing.
I suspect that's where he's going to be in the first-choice line-up come World Cup time - might as well trial the axis of the backline against Scotland.
I'd be extremely surprised if he isn't starting at 13 against England, so they'll probably look to rest him rather than give him another start.
He's only played one game on this tour, I don't think he needs a rest just yet.
Agree but if he's not starting at centre, I highly doubt he'll start on the wing.
Happy to be Mr Omelette again though.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish Ioane to the bench, I can't see them starting him at wing.
I suspect that's where he's going to be in the first-choice line-up come World Cup time - might as well trial the axis of the backline against Scotland.
I'd be extremely surprised if he isn't starting at 13 against England, so they'll probably look to rest him rather than give him another start.
He's only played one game on this tour, I don't think he needs a rest just yet.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish Ioane to the bench, I can't see them starting him at wing.
I suspect that's where he's going to be in the first-choice line-up come World Cup time - might as well trial the axis of the backline against Scotland.
I'd be extremely surprised if he isn't starting at 13 against England, so they'll probably look to rest him rather than give him another start.
He's only played one game on this tour, I don't think he needs a rest just yet.
No reason why JB and RI couldn't play all 3 games. Unless Fozz wants others to get game time as well
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Mr-Fish Ioane to the bench, I can't see them starting him at wing.
I suspect that's where he's going to be in the first-choice line-up come World Cup time - might as well trial the axis of the backline against Scotland.
I'd be extremely surprised if he isn't starting at 13 against England, so they'll probably look to rest him rather than give him another start.
He's only played one game on this tour, I don't think he needs a rest just yet.
No reason why JB and RI couldn't play all 3 games. Unless Fozz wants others to get game time as well
@canefan for players like them it becomes more mental fatigue with the intensity levels rather than the physical side of it, in my opinion of course.
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@canefan for players like them it becomes more mental fatigue with the intensity levels rather than the physical side of it, in my opinion of course.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@canefan for players like them it becomes more mental fatigue with the intensity levels rather than the physical side of it, in my opinion of course.
Yup.
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I expect them to rotate for Scotland. It's an opportunity to give squad players a chance to get more test experience in case they're called upon next year. But I understand the sentiment around Perofeta, Ennor et al. I can't say I really want to watch them play much either, but then that's probably an issue with original squad selections. In hindsight (or not) I doubt anyone thinks Perofeta has a higher ceiling than Zarn Sullivan for example.
Then there is also England. A 6 day turnaround isn't ideal. So giving a few key players a lighter workload this weekend is a good idea if the coaches want the best possible performance out of the team at Twickenham. And the last time they played each other was the World Cup, where the ABs got flogged. I'm keen for a statement performance.
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I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
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I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
Doesn't make much sense to me to rest Taukieaho last week and then drop him all together this week.
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I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
Weber not available - rotated to ABXV.
Can't pick too many other holes. But could say that for any number of combos.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
Doesn't make much sense to me to rest Taukieaho last week and then drop him all together this week.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
Doesn't make much sense to me to rest Taukieaho last week and then drop him all together this week.
Re Aumua. I am to think he's had issues with throwing. Is that correct? Otherwise I'm happy for him to come on in the impact role that ST occupied last week.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
Doesn't make much sense to me to rest Taukieaho last week and then drop him all together this week.
Re Aumua. I am to think he's had issues with throwing. Is that correct? Otherwise I'm happy for him to come on in the impact role that ST occupied last week.
@booboo then he probably needs to start and ST off the bench, not ideal if we send ST into the English test off the back of 1 bench appearance in the previous 2 weeks.
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But do you want to beat England on the back of a loss to Scotland?
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But do you want to beat England on the back of a loss to Scotland?
@MiketheSnow you said that wont happen after the Scotland v Fiji game....
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
Doesn't make much sense to me to rest Taukieaho last week and then drop him all together this week.
Re Aumua. I am to think he's had issues with throwing. Is that correct? Otherwise I'm happy for him to come on in the impact role that ST occupied last week.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
I'd pick
- De Grott 2.Taylor 3. Ofa T 4. Vaii 5. Whitelock 6. A.Ioane 7 Papali'i 8. Sotutu 9. Weber 10. Mounga 11. C.Clarke 12. J. Barrett 13. ALB. 14. Reece 15. BB
Bench Aumua, Bower, Laulala, S. Barrett, Frizzell, TJP, Havaii, Telea.
Sami T, Lomax,Ardie Savea, Aaron Smith and Reiko Ioane get the week off so they're good to go against England
Doesn't make much sense to me to rest Taukieaho last week and then drop him all together this week.
Re Aumua. I am to think he's had issues with throwing. Is that correct? Otherwise I'm happy for him to come on in the impact role that ST occupied last week.
Aumua was excellent in the npc final. And mostly good throughout the npc. One off game was the Auckland semi
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@MiketheSnow you said that wont happen after the Scotland v Fiji game....
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
@MiketheSnow you said that wont happen after the Scotland v Fiji game....
If Townsend swallows his pride and selects Russell who knows what could happen
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Feel free to move this to Foster
Been thinking about this whole coaching conundrum
As far as I’m concerned you pick the best 23 available to you every match
You can tinker with who starts and who finishes but you want your best charges present and correct at every opportunity
But how do you blood new players I hear you ask?
Ardie Savea is the best No 8 in the world at the moment
If Sotutu is chosen ahead of him based on merit not rotation then Sotutu can rightfully feel he’s possibly the best No 8 in the world
He’s trained day in day out with the best in the world (Savea) and been chosen ahead of him
That’s all he needs to perform
Not 10 minutes at the end of a match that’s already won against a side who are already beaten
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Feel free to move this to Foster
Been thinking about this whole coaching conundrum
As far as I’m concerned you pick the best 23 available to you every match
You can tinker with who starts and who finishes but you want your best charges present and correct at every opportunity
But how do you blood new players I hear you ask?
Ardie Savea is the best No 8 in the world at the moment
If Sotutu is chosen ahead of him based on merit not rotation then Sotutu can rightfully feel he’s possibly the best No 8 in the world
He’s trained day in day out with the best in the world (Savea) and been chosen ahead of him
That’s all he needs to perform
Not 10 minutes at the end of a match that’s already won against a side who are already beaten
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Feel free to move this to Foster
Been thinking about this whole coaching conundrum
As far as I’m concerned you pick the best 23 available to you every match
You can tinker with who starts and who finishes but you want your best charges present and correct at every opportunity
But how do you blood new players I hear you ask?
Ardie Savea is the best No 8 in the world at the moment
If Sotutu is chosen ahead of him based on merit not rotation then Sotutu can rightfully feel he’s possibly the best No 8 in the world
He’s trained day in day out with the best in the world (Savea) and been chosen ahead of him
That’s all he needs to perform
Not 10 minutes at the end of a match that’s already won against a side who are already beaten
Alldritt is very close.
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Feel free to move this to Foster
Been thinking about this whole coaching conundrum
As far as I’m concerned you pick the best 23 available to you every match
You can tinker with who starts and who finishes but you want your best charges present and correct at every opportunity
But how do you blood new players I hear you ask?
Ardie Savea is the best No 8 in the world at the moment
If Sotutu is chosen ahead of him based on merit not rotation then Sotutu can rightfully feel he’s possibly the best No 8 in the world
He’s trained day in day out with the best in the world (Savea) and been chosen ahead of him
That’s all he needs to perform
Not 10 minutes at the end of a match that’s already won against a side who are already beaten
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Scotland:
Feel free to move this to Foster
Been thinking about this whole coaching conundrum
As far as I’m concerned you pick the best 23 available to you every match
You can tinker with who starts and who finishes but you want your best charges present and correct at every opportunity
But how do you blood new players I hear you ask?
Ardie Savea is the best No 8 in the world at the moment
If Sotutu is chosen ahead of him based on merit not rotation then Sotutu can rightfully feel he’s possibly the best No 8 in the world
He’s trained day in day out with the best in the world (Savea) and been chosen ahead of him
That’s all he needs to perform
Not 10 minutes at the end of a match that’s already won against a side who are already beaten
this is absolutely my opinion on "rotation" as well.
with the slight caveat that at times, the best 23 for a weekend might be slightly different to the weekend before depending on who we are playing, or the fatigue status of a player
Also, i don't think Savea is the best #8 in the world. Though he is the best A Savea in the world. And i have become comfortable with that. The coaches are just letting him roam around the field doing what he wants. He's not a 7, he's not an 8, he's not a 6. He just does shit. And that's pretty cool, because right now he is the difference maker in the pack. Build the other two loosies around him, and let him do his thing.
