Foster, Robertson etc
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Ireland run the same attack religiously, it has like 2 variations.
What are those variations?
Seriously?
I was asking you because, unlike me, you seem to know something about rugby.
I'm meaning their attack patterns.
Was interested in what they actually are.Ok it's obviously way more complicated than this but
Check out videos from their tour to NZ. They compress their attack in to like half the field. And they either hit forwards running unders angles if the defence stays strung out across the field, or they use their backs running loops to outflank you if you compress.
This way they exploit where you are weakest. It works because they have great forward runners and their timing is excellent. If they had real pace at 13 they would carve teams. R Ioane at 13 for Ireland would be fucking lethal with the space they create.
The Maori actually stopped it a few times by spot tackling the looping player. But the ABs struggled with that.
The Maori played with much more of a rush, as they appeared to have a defense coach and system appropriate to the 21st century, and unsurprisingly caused that pattern a few more problems.
Helped by the Irish tram that was put out not being as powerful up front or crisp in their passing.
But yes, our defensive pattern actually plays in to the Irish hands as we like to isolate our wingers and rely on the centre holding in then using pace to cover. Ireland exploit that very seam.
I think our defence worked better when Ioane was on the wing because out there he knew how to defend using the side line. Not sure he’s got the defending the space in that sort of attacking pattern when he’s in the centre position, down pat.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Ireland run the same attack religiously, it has like 2 variations.
What are those variations?
Seriously?
I was asking you because, unlike me, you seem to know something about rugby.
I'm meaning their attack patterns.
Was interested in what they actually are.Ok it's obviously way more complicated than this but
Check out videos from their tour to NZ. They compress their attack in to like half the field. And they either hit forwards running unders angles if the defence stays strung out across the field, or they use their backs running loops to outflank you if you compress.
This way they exploit where you are weakest. It works because they have great forward runners and their timing is excellent. If they had real pace at 13 they would carve teams. R Ioane at 13 for Ireland would be fucking lethal with the space they create.
The Maori actually stopped it a few times by spot tackling the looping player. But the ABs struggled with that.
The Maori played with much more of a rush, as they appeared to have a defense coach and system appropriate to the 21st century, and unsurprisingly caused that pattern a few more problems.
Helped by the Irish tram that was put out not being as powerful up front or crisp in their passing.
But yes, our defensive pattern actually plays in to the Irish hands as we like to isolate our wingers and rely on the centre holding in then using pace to cover. Ireland exploit that very seam.
I think our defence worked better when Ioane was on the wing because out there he knew how to defend using the side line. Not sure he’s got the defending the space in that sort of attacking pattern when he’s in the centre position, down pat.
i used to think it was Ioane until i saw ALB, a very experienced centre, defending in exactly the same way. I think our 13s are being asked to do something that looks whack to us.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Frank said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Ireland run the same attack religiously, it has like 2 variations.
What are those variations?
Seriously?
I was asking you because, unlike me, you seem to know something about rugby.
I'm meaning their attack patterns.
Was interested in what they actually are.Ok it's obviously way more complicated than this but
Check out videos from their tour to NZ. They compress their attack in to like half the field. And they either hit forwards running unders angles if the defence stays strung out across the field, or they use their backs running loops to outflank you if you compress.
This way they exploit where you are weakest. It works because they have great forward runners and their timing is excellent. If they had real pace at 13 they would carve teams. R Ioane at 13 for Ireland would be fucking lethal with the space they create.
The Maori actually stopped it a few times by spot tackling the looping player. But the ABs struggled with that.
The Maori played with much more of a rush, as they appeared to have a defense coach and system appropriate to the 21st century, and unsurprisingly caused that pattern a few more problems.
Helped by the Irish tram that was put out not being as powerful up front or crisp in their passing.
But yes, our defensive pattern actually plays in to the Irish hands as we like to isolate our wingers and rely on the centre holding in then using pace to cover. Ireland exploit that very seam.
I think our defence worked better when Ioane was on the wing because out there he knew how to defend using the side line. Not sure he’s got the defending the space in that sort of attacking pattern when he’s in the centre position, down pat.
i used to think it was Ioane until i saw ALB, a very experienced centre, defending in exactly the same way. I think our 13s are being asked to do something that looks whack to us.
@mariner4life it was interesting in that Melbourne Bledisloe watching Clarke and Ioane effectively change positions in the set piece defensive line with Clarke coming in closer and Ioane out wider towards the side line. Not that it made a difference because Clarke got smoked.
Post Nonu/Smith our best defensive midfield has been Crotty/ALB. Played both the drift and direct attack well.
Whether it’s personnel or pattern, something has to change quickly.
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@Machpants agreed..."alot of nations are moving early and did so in the last cycle too"...maybe, they didnt move early, you were just late?
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@Machpants Yep.
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@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
What a pile of waffle
No problems we still have Fozzie to reappoint after the WC,For another 4 years.
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@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
What a pile of waffle
No problems we still have Fozzie to reappoint after the WC,For another 4 years.
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@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
What a pile of waffle
Why? What do you want him to say? They are talking with Scott Robertson etc, mate if we got to appoint coaches because they may go somewhere else f*** em, I'll take a coach who wants to coach ABs. They not going to say we got Robertson lined up , as it closes doors on others, like Jamie Joseph. Everyone know that Robertson is contracted to NZR until 2024 anyway, so obviously holding him to then,!
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@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Stargazer said in Foster, Robertson etc:
What a pile of waffle
Why? What do you want him to say? They are talking with Scott Robertson etc, mate if we got to appoint coaches because they may go somewhere else f*** em, I'll take a coach who wants to coach ABs. They not going to say we got Robertson lined up , as it closes doors on others, like Jamie Joseph. Everyone know that Robertson is contracted to NZR until 2024 anyway, so obviously holding him to then,!
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
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@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps
) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Yep totally agree just more incompetence,Puss footing around and backing themselves into another corner post WC.
They are one very incompetent board that lot.The majority of the board have no rugby nous or background.This post prompted me to look at the Board makeup and I don't think this is true at all. There's three former province Chairs including from the two most recently successful provinces (hmmm, I see the problem, too many Crusaders region reps
) and the others all have decent CVs with pretty long term involvement in rugby.Would you like to name the board with their rugby nous next to their names
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So Chirs name your board that would be the answer. The easiest thing to do is tell everyone how useless a board is that is appointed by all the provinces etc that run ruby in the country, without telling us who all the good people are who are missing out on job. The thing is mate, I don't know any sport that the public who sit in background thingk is really well run.
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@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Made sense to me to say what he did, not give hints or anything. Just something I believe, if there no news , don't make it up etc. He was asked a question, and answered that they are talking to people that are relevant.
Not sure what that means is it doesn't mean they started. I always thought that when they signed Razor until 2024. If they had no interest they wouldn't of done that surely. They probably also need to see where people like Jamie Joseph etc stand . I don't need anymore info than that myself. -
So Chirs name your board that would be the answer. The easiest thing to do is tell everyone how useless a board is that is appointed by all the provinces etc that run ruby in the country, without telling us who all the good people are who are missing out on job. The thing is mate, I don't know any sport that the public who sit in background thingk is really well run.
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
So Chirs name your board that would be the answer. The easiest thing to do is tell everyone how useless a board is that is appointed by all the provinces etc that run ruby in the country, without telling us who all the good people are who are missing out on job. The thing is mate, I don't know any sport that the public who sit in background thingk is really well run.
Anyone who doesn't tell Australia Rugby they can only have 3 teams in the SR comp and almost kill it all together,After throwing out Argentina and South Africa to weaken the product.
Wait until all the coaches bar 2 are signed up to appoint the coach through to WC 2023 and appoint the wrong one.
and look like repeating the same mistake.
After the AB's lost the First test in SA pull Razor aside tell him to select his coaching team as he is going to take over when they get back from SA throwing 3 SR franchises into panic as they were losing their coaches,They were sounding out replacements.
Then get back from SA to tell everyone involved we were only kidding.If that is not incompetence WTF is.
You want other names sure
Crunchy the Clown.Ronald MCDonald,Mickey Mouse all could do a better job.How about sounding out some true High performance people who can understand how structures work. There are plenty in NZ and overseas if you are up with the state of Play with Rugby in NZ.
I am not going to throw their names out on a forum but you just have a wee think if you know about Rugby in NZ and they might jump out at you.Your head in the Sand attitude to the way the game is being Run in NZ is why it is in the fucking state its in
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 I think if he said we have started the process, would be more than sufficient, instead, he danced around like a politician.
It aint like Fozzie doesnt know he has to reapply, win or not, so putting the feelers out signalling those who think they are a shot, thier time is coming, it certainly aint gonna hurt anyones feelings...who knows, Fozzie may have already indicated he wont even reapply...
Instead, like last time, most of the applicants felt it was a closed shop and done deal (whether it was or not is irrelevant if several potential candidates think it is)
Like he said himself, other unions are already making moves, instead he's focussed on other stuff, when in reality, this next 12 months is quite important for NZR given the relative cluster fuck the last 18 months has been on the coaching front, he needs to get this right.
Made sense to me to say what he did, not give hints or anything. Just something I believe, if there no news , don't make it up etc. He was asked a question, and answered that they are talking to people that are relevant.
Not sure what that means is it doesn't mean they started. I always thought that when they signed Razor until 2024. If they had no interest they wouldn't of done that surely. They probably also need to see where people like Jamie Joseph etc stand . I don't need anymore info than that myself.@Dan54 not saying something didnt make sense, just all the incompetence in the past 18 months or so from Robinson, he now has the chance to stand up and show some leadership as the CEO of NZR, rather than acting like a politician.
Dont expect him to show all his cards, but at least be straight about it, instead of the vague politician answers, people dont trust our politicians, yet we have the CEO of NZR behaving like one
