Foster, Robertson etc
-
The NZR have backed mediocrity 3 times in a row.
On appointment in 2019, 'another 2 years' in 2021, and 'sinking in South Africa' in 2022.
Does the NZR have the courage to step outside the box and back proven ability and success?
Everyone knows the turnaround is attributable to Joe Schmidt & Jason Ryan (Razor's originally proposed forwards coach...)
He's delivered numerous unwanted firsts & has tarnished the team's reputation - which Henry/Hansen rebuilded.
Most disturbingly, Foster has cultivated a prevalent culture of mediocrity, where accountability is almost non-existent and embarrassingly poor excuses are constantly peddled to the rugby paying fan-base.
He treats the rugby public with contempt & doesn't bring the innate connection individuals like Razor/Smith carry with the wider public.
The NZRU made correct decision in Smith when the BFs were in disarray, the results were automatic (8 months).
Under Foster they've recorded a meagre 30% (3 from 10) success rate against top-tier (top 5) nations.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
The NZR have backed mediocrity 3 times in a row.
On appointment in 2019, 'another 2 years' in 2021, and 'sinking in South Africa' in 2022.
Does the NZR have the courage to step outside the box and back proven ability and success?
Everyone knows the turnaround is attributable to Joe Schmidt & Jason Ryan (Razor's originally proposed forwards coach...)
He's delivered numerous unwanted firsts & has tarnished the team's reputation - which Henry/Hansen rebuilded.
Most disturbingly, Foster has cultivated a prevalent culture of mediocrity, where accountability is almost non-existent and embarrassingly poor excuses are constantly peddled to the rugby paying fan-base.
He treats the rugby public with contempt & doesn't bring the innate connection individuals like Razor/Smith carry with the wider public.
The NZRU made correct decision in Smith when the BFs were in disarray, the results were automatic (8 months).
Under Foster they've recorded a meagre 30% (3 from 10) success rate against top-tier (top 5) nations.
I would add 2017 to that...
-
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I find this thread therapeutic.
I find it the complete opposite.
It’s like a bad Groundhog Day with the same stuff being repeated every few pages.
Its making you a tougher man .
I grew up in Flaxmere, surely I can't get any tougher.
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I find this thread therapeutic.
I find it the complete opposite.
It’s like a bad Groundhog Day with the same stuff being repeated every few pages.
Its making you a tougher man .
I grew up in Flaxmere, surely I can't get any tougher.
Pffft, I grew up in Renwick. We didn't even have a police station. Proper lawlessness.
-
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I find this thread therapeutic.
I find it the complete opposite.
It’s like a bad Groundhog Day with the same stuff being repeated every few pages.
Its making you a tougher man .
I grew up in Flaxmere, surely I can't get any tougher.
Pffft, I grew up in Renwick. We didn't even have a police station. Proper lawlessness.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I find this thread therapeutic.
I find it the complete opposite.
It’s like a bad Groundhog Day with the same stuff being repeated every few pages.
Its making you a tougher man .
I grew up in Flaxmere, surely I can't get any tougher.
Pffft, I grew up in Renwick. We didn't even have a police station. Proper lawlessness.
Renwick is awesome - if you love drinking white wine
Seriously, bike tours to vineyards around there were some of the highlights of my south island trips. Sensational place. Did have a bit of lawlessness though ... debauched tourists...
-
Throws grenade....
https://twitter.com/RugbyPass/status/1602396970047479808/photo/1
-
Throws grenade....
https://twitter.com/RugbyPass/status/1602396970047479808/photo/1
-
Throws grenade....
https://twitter.com/RugbyPass/status/1602396970047479808/photo/1
@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Throws grenade....
https://twitter.com/RugbyPass/status/1602396970047479808/photo/1
I'd wager Eddie would consider an AB coaching gig. He's basically the Tim Shadbolt of World Rugby.
throws another grenade..
and has been on the coaching team of more than one RWC team.
https://www.panmacmillan.com/authors/eddie-jones/my-life-and-rugby/9781509850709Since taking over as head coach of England in 2015, Eddie Jones has orchestrated a complete revival of the national team. He has won the Six Nations Championship back-to-back, including England’s first Grand Slam in a generation and their first-ever whitewash of Australia in their own backyard, as well as taking them on their longest-ever winning streak, matching the world record held by the All Blacks. Eddie Jones is one of the most experienced and decorated coaches in Rugby Union. His career has spanned four World Cups: from the 2003 final, working with South Africa when they won in 2007, and causing the greatest upset in the history of the game in 2015 when he masterminded the Japanese victory over South Africa. Most recently, he led England on their incredible run at the 2019 World Cup, culminating in a stunning victory against the All Blacks before falling to South Africa in the final. -
Justin Marshall is absolutely scathing of Ian Foster's All Blacks.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/damaged-the-jersey-justin-marshall-on-the-all-blacks-2022/
-
Justin Marshall is absolutely scathing of Ian Foster's All Blacks.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/damaged-the-jersey-justin-marshall-on-the-all-blacks-2022/
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Justin Marshall is absolutely scathing of Ian Foster's All Blacks.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/damaged-the-jersey-justin-marshall-on-the-all-blacks-2022/
He's not wrong. It will take a massive year next year, a RWC SF as absolute minimum to restore some of aura's lustre. And no shellacking in the SF either, narrow loss at the very least
-
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Justin Marshall is absolutely scathing of Ian Foster's All Blacks.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/damaged-the-jersey-justin-marshall-on-the-all-blacks-2022/
He's not wrong. It will take a massive year next year, a RWC SF as absolute minimum to restore some of aura's lustre. And no shellacking in the SF either, narrow loss at the very least
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Justin Marshall is absolutely scathing of Ian Foster's All Blacks.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/damaged-the-jersey-justin-marshall-on-the-all-blacks-2022/
He's not wrong. It will take a massive year next year, a RWC SF as absolute minimum to restore some of aura's lustre. And no shellacking in the SF either, narrow loss at the very least
IMO without a dominant entire season and record breaking fourth RWC victory will even start the CPR. And IMO RWC isn't everything, the damage Foster has done in the preceding years means even that and he should go.
-
-
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
That's an unfair comparison. With video refs the ABs win both the games against SA. The 2nd loss to Aus was also very close. Considering the changing of the guard due to retirements and players being passed it, they didn't do too badly. Better than 2022 at any rate.
-
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
And if we’re talking about teams that drew against Eng and should have won then we can go back to the 1997 team that he inexplicably captained.
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
And if we’re talking about teams that drew against Eng and should have won then we can go back to the 1997 team that he inexplicably captained.
That's actually a great trivia question. I'll bet most people have forgotten that both he and Anton Oliver had very short stints as AB captain.
-
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
they were playing Macqueen's goat Wallabies side not a 9th ranked Australia.
-
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
That's an unfair comparison. With video refs the ABs win both the games against SA. The 2nd loss to Aus was also very close. Considering the changing of the guard due to retirements and players being passed it, they didn't do too badly. Better than 2022 at any rate.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
That's an unfair comparison. With video refs the ABs win both the games against SA. The 2nd loss to Aus was also very close. Considering the changing of the guard due to retirements and played being passed it, they didn't do too badly. Better than 2022 at any rate.
Agree & Hart's ABs had lots of narrow losses, Foster has seen comprehensive (10 points or more) losses.
-
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
That's an unfair comparison. With video refs the ABs win both the games against SA. The 2nd loss to Aus was also very close. Considering the changing of the guard due to retirements and played being passed it, they didn't do too badly. Better than 2022 at any rate.
Agree & Hart's ABs had lots of narrow losses, Foster has seen comprehensive (10 points or more) losses.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
That's an unfair comparison. With video refs the ABs win both the games against SA. The 2nd loss to Aus was also very close. Considering the changing of the guard due to retirements and played being passed it, they didn't do too badly. Better than 2022 at any rate.
Agree & Hart's ABs had lots of narrow losses, Foster has seen comprehensive (10 points or more) losses.
That’s an unfair comparison as well. The game is different now and a small difference in performances between teams can look big on the scoreboard.
Eventually the rest of the rugby world was going to catch up. Especially with the resources some have thrown at doing so. Absolutely we have been off being the the best and should be aiming to get back to more consistency but comparing eras is like saying that Pinetree would be a lock still.
-
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
That's an unfair comparison. With video refs the ABs win both the games against SA. The 2nd loss to Aus was also very close. Considering the changing of the guard due to retirements and played being passed it, they didn't do too badly. Better than 2022 at any rate.
Agree & Hart's ABs had lots of narrow losses, Foster has seen comprehensive (10 points or more) losses.
That’s an unfair comparison as well. The game is different now and a small difference in performances between teams can look big on the scoreboard.
Eventually the rest of the rugby world was going to catch up. Especially with the resources some have thrown at doing so. Absolutely we have been off being the the best and should be aiming to get back to more consistency but comparing eras is like saying that Pinetree would be a lock still.
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
That's an unfair comparison. With video refs the ABs win both the games against SA. The 2nd loss to Aus was also very close. Considering the changing of the guard due to retirements and played being passed it, they didn't do too badly. Better than 2022 at any rate.
Agree & Hart's ABs had lots of narrow losses, Foster has seen comprehensive (10 points or more) losses.
That’s an unfair comparison as well. The game is different now and a small difference in performances between teams can look big on the scoreboard.
Eventually the rest of the rugby world was going to catch up. Especially with the resources some have thrown at doing so. Absolutely we have been off being the the best and should be aiming to get back to more consistency but comparing eras is like saying that Pinetree would be a lock still.
Winning the Bledisloe cup against a weak Australian side ranked 9th in the world is nothing to celebrate, including the weakened tri-nations, the 2 matches Foster needed to win this year were Ireland series and England at Twickenham, we failed both, not to mention Argentina, and we got hammered by France & Ireland last Northern tour.
-
fuck, why am i wading in to the dumbest thread on the Fern, oh, because i am bored
Teams to beat Ireland in a test in the last two years: Wales (lol), France, New Zealand
That Wallabies team you are trashing (that we beat 2-0) came within a bees dick of beating both France and Ireland away despite being smashed by injuries. Beat Scotland. Smashed Wales (the italy game was their nadir) all away. They aren't the 9th best team in the world. Oh look, in fact they are 6th
Beating South Africa in South Africa means fuck all because narrative.The simple fact is, no matter how often you fucking bleat it (and by god do you bleat it), the All Blacks do not just have a god given right to just rock up and win every single week. There is fuck all between the top 8 sides, and on any given day you could lose to any of them at the moment. World Test rugby has never, ever been as good as it is right now. And it's a beautiful thing.
-
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Bovidae said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Has Meg forgotten about 1998? And he was in that AB team.
That's an unfair comparison. With video refs the ABs win both the games against SA. The 2nd loss to Aus was also very close. Considering the changing of the guard due to retirements and played being passed it, they didn't do too badly. Better than 2022 at any rate.
Agree & Hart's ABs had lots of narrow losses, Foster has seen comprehensive (10 points or more) losses.
That’s an unfair comparison as well. The game is different now and a small difference in performances between teams can look big on the scoreboard.
Eventually the rest of the rugby world was going to catch up. Especially with the resources some have thrown at doing so. Absolutely we have been off being the the best and should be aiming to get back to more consistency but comparing eras is like saying that Pinetree would be a lock still.
Winning the Bledisloe cup against a weak Australian side ranked 9th in the world is nothing to celebrate, including the weakened tri-nations, the 2 matches Foster needed to win this year were Ireland series and England at Twickenham, we failed both, not to mention Argentina, and we got hammered by France & Ireland last Northern tour.
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
the 2 matches Foster needed to win this year were Ireland series and England at Twickenham
if the jungle drums are correct, he needed to win the 2nd test in SA, which he did so and it supposedly stopped that last nail in his coffin...
Thing is, we could lose every single test match from now until the RWC and then all pool games, he aint going anywhere now.
