Foster, Robertson etc
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@Crucial
Marine4life wrote, "There is fuck all between the top 8 sides, and on any given day you could lose to any of them at the moment. World Test rugby has never, ever been as good as it is right now. And it's a beautiful thing."I wrote, "Would have the same perspective if we were trying to be innovative and playing near to our potential."
I honestly don't know where the message gets muddled and you get, "This idea that even if we were playing at our best we would be comfortably the best is straight-out arrogance."
@Old-Samurai-Jack it's a very fair attitude, and one i have an enormous amount of sympathy for
i guess my attitude is that there are a couple of reasons why we don't look great all the time
Other teams are now good enough to take us away from what we want to do more regularly. Similarly we are as well of course.
We have paddling pool depth at some positions, and it means selection has to be bang on. It also means some guys have to play a lot.
Does the coaching staff get a free pass because of these? absolutely not. But, my opinion that making one change at the top isn't going to change the above nearly as much as some expect. And that;s what this thread devolved in to. One guy shit and source of all problems, one guy messiah who magically fixes everything. With zero context given to external factors.
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We have seen Auusie try and fix things by getting the next best thing as coach, if you ain't got the cattle ,you struggle. I agree with Mariner, we can do better as can almost any team on planet. I get torn between seeing ABs winning more , and being so happy that we got such a competitive world game.
We genuinely have very few players that would make a world xv, but that will come again, we have kind of lived off the 2011-2016 era for a little long. Writing was on wall when we stopped winning U20 titles really.
At moment we should be grateful we hold all hold the cups,comp we played in this year and last few years., and that will have do me for now.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack it's a very fair attitude, and one i have an enormous amount of sympathy for
i guess my attitude is that there are a couple of reasons why we don't look great all the time
Other teams are now good enough to take us away from what we want to do more regularly. Similarly we are as well of course.
We have paddling pool depth at some positions, and it means selection has to be bang on. It also means some guys have to play a lot.
Does the coaching staff get a free pass because of these? absolutely not. But, my opinion that making one change at the top isn't going to change the above nearly as much as some expect. And that;s what this thread devolved in to. One guy shit and source of all problems, one guy messiah who magically fixes everything. With zero context given to external factors.
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Old-Samurai-Jack it's a very fair attitude, and one i have an enormous amount of sympathy for
i guess my attitude is that there are a couple of reasons why we don't look great all the time
Other teams are now good enough to take us away from what we want to do more regularly. Similarly we are as well of course.
We have paddling pool depth at some positions, and it means selection has to be bang on. It also means some guys have to play a lot.
Does the coaching staff get a free pass because of these? absolutely not. But, my opinion that making one change at the top isn't going to change the above nearly as much as some expect. And that;s what this thread devolved in to. One guy shit and source of all problems, one guy messiah who magically fixes everything. With zero context given to external factors.
Funny how Schmidt & Ryan more or less came in and did essentially that....
So much for the narrative regarding our players being shit, as during the Ireland series many on this board were claiming Foster simply had average cattle to work with - it wasn't his fault!
Those posters are now silent.
With Schmidt & Ryan added we've seen players like Lomax & Taylor go from poor to excellent (after 3 seasons of going backwards under Foster), surely not a coincidence, so what makes you think changing the head coach wouldn't also be a net-positive?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack it's a very fair attitude, and one i have an enormous amount of sympathy for
i guess my attitude is that there are a couple of reasons why we don't look great all the time
Other teams are now good enough to take us away from what we want to do more regularly. Similarly we are as well of course.
We have paddling pool depth at some positions, and it means selection has to be bang on. It also means some guys have to play a lot.
Does the coaching staff get a free pass because of these? absolutely not. But, my opinion that making one change at the top isn't going to change the above nearly as much as some expect. And that;s what this thread devolved in to. One guy shit and source of all problems, one guy messiah who magically fixes everything. With zero context given to external factors.
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Old-Samurai-Jack it's a very fair attitude, and one i have an enormous amount of sympathy for
i guess my attitude is that there are a couple of reasons why we don't look great all the time
Other teams are now good enough to take us away from what we want to do more regularly. Similarly we are as well of course.
We have paddling pool depth at some positions, and it means selection has to be bang on. It also means some guys have to play a lot.
Does the coaching staff get a free pass because of these? absolutely not. But, my opinion that making one change at the top isn't going to change the above nearly as much as some expect. And that;s what this thread devolved in to. One guy shit and source of all problems, one guy messiah who magically fixes everything. With zero context given to external factors.
At the moment we have a guy who has a poor record as a head coach at lower levels, who Chiefs fans would probably say failed to get the best out of his squad. He wasn't helped by choosing poor assistants, the one remaining one oversees arguably the weakest part of our game right now. He wasn't helped by the impact of COVID-19 on our Super rugby comp and our test programme. The squad performance has been transformed since the introduction of 2 new assistants, one of which is a guy who was developed by the other guy you speak of, and his area of expertise has probably seen the greatest improvement. I don't know about you but I still worry about Foster's ability to pick the right side, our tactical use of cross kicks as a way of outflanking rush defences on a consistent basis, and our lack of on field control heading into 2023
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Eddie Jones did the breakfast media round in UK this morning. He's already looking for another big coaching gig. Basically a come and get me for any interested Unions out there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64043502
I hope NZR were listening. I'd love to see Eddie as part of a future AB coaching group.
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Eddie Jones did the breakfast media round in UK this morning. He's already looking for another big coaching gig. Basically a come and get me for any interested Unions out there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64043502
I hope NZR were listening. I'd love to see Eddie as part of a future AB coaching group.
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Old-Samurai-Jack it's a very fair attitude, and one i have an enormous amount of sympathy for
i guess my attitude is that there are a couple of reasons why we don't look great all the time
Other teams are now good enough to take us away from what we want to do more regularly. Similarly we are as well of course.
We have paddling pool depth at some positions, and it means selection has to be bang on. It also means some guys have to play a lot.
Does the coaching staff get a free pass because of these? absolutely not. But, my opinion that making one change at the top isn't going to change the above nearly as much as some expect. And that;s what this thread devolved in to. One guy shit and source of all problems, one guy messiah who magically fixes everything. With zero context given to external factors.
Funny how Schmidt & Ryan more or less came in and did essentially that....
So much for the narrative regarding our players being shit, as during the Ireland series many on this board were claiming Foster simply had average cattle to work with - it wasn't his fault!
Those posters are now silent.
With Schmidt & Ryan added we've seen players like Lomax & Taylor go from poor to excellent (after 3 seasons of going backwards under Foster), surely not a coincidence, so what makes you think changing the head coach wouldn't also be a net-positive?
@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Those posters are now silent.
Those posters are bored shitless.
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@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@sparky As an analyst. No actual contact with the players.
He'd be fine on a short term deal, it's only after this methods wear off that he's a probelm. Be perfect to add to the team for a World Cup year for example.
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Eddie Jones did the breakfast media round in UK this morning. He's already looking for another big coaching gig. Basically a come and get me for any interested Unions out there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64043502
I hope NZR were listening. I'd love to see Eddie as part of a future AB coaching group.
@sparky said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Eddie Jones did the breakfast media round in UK this morning. He's already looking for another big coaching gig. Basically a come and get me for any interested Unions out there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64043502
I hope NZR were listening. I'd love to see Eddie as part of a future AB coaching group.
how many coaches can be picked almost instantly after being dropped from the world's
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If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works. -
@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@sparky As an analyst. No actual contact with the players.
He'd be fine on a short term deal, it's only after this methods wear off that he's a probelm. Be perfect to add to the team for a World Cup year for example.
@Kirwan said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Tim said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@sparky As an analyst. No actual contact with the players.
He'd be fine on a short term deal, it's only after this methods wear off that he's a probelm. Be perfect to add to the team for a World Cup year for example.
Totally agree. Would love to see him as part of the AB camp for 2023.
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If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
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@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Same proviso as Eddie. Don't leave the players alone with him
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@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Yes.
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Yes.
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Yes.
Come on. It would be a journey.
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@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Yes.
Come on. It would be a journey.
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Yes.
Come on. It would be a journey.
Highway to Hell?
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@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Yes.
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Yes.
Lol fuck cullen was cooked get over it
Hurricanes fans...
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@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Yes.
Lol fuck cullen was cooked get over it
Hurricanes fans...
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If you think it's crazy to have Eddie as an analyst what about looking at Moonhead Mitchell to run the defence? He has done a good job in that area throughout the world and would bring some insights to the NH systems especially. Couldn't be worse than the current bloke.
Between them they would piss everybody off and last no more than one season but if it works it works.I don't mind Eddie but if they bring in domehead I'm done.
Even if he improved our defence from McLeod?
Yes.
Lol fuck cullen was cooked get over it
Hurricanes fans...
You know full well that was the tip of the iceberg.
Waikato fans ...
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Personally for the sake of the game, I would say no Eddie etc, or any defence,scrum,lineout coahes. Limit it too head and assistant coach, and let the players play.
I know it may seem dumb, but I preferred when players won matches, now almost everyone seems to credit/blame the coaches.
