Foster, Robertson etc

Dan54

Wonder what the story is on the other side of the fence? I have more faith in NZRU staff who have the best interests of the game at heart.
They should be doing succession planning all the time and should be encouraging competition for hp coaching roles. But they work within the constraints of contracts and employment law and budget limitations.
Great to have Joseph, Robertson and maybe Foster all keen to be the one after RWC2023 and competing for the role. NZRU can monitor how all of them prepare and upskill.
They will foremost decide who is best placed to meet the challenges and changing environment for the next few years for the best result for NZ Rugby..
They will be less inclined to decide based on who has the loudest cheerleader group and best cherry picked comparisons posted online.
So it is great if Joseph and Brown are keen. They have shown the ability to get squads to punch above their weight in international rugby while Robertson shows great consistency in preparing for and succeeding at domestic finals.
Trouble is that you can't just recruit to plug a few gaps where your opponents have players who are already a bit better at test level. That will be the major challenge for the next AB's coach. And I have faith that the NZRU folks will be considering the big picture diligently before they appoint and not just taking the easy option of rewarding either domestic titles or fulfilling succession planning.

Can't say how much I agree with this post ARHS, I know it seems strange to many to just let the decisions be made by those who have ALL the info, I know I a great fan of Jamie Joseph getting job, but I don't know anymore about the qualifications than anyone else on here, or to be honest what really makes a good test coach.
I have seen many posts on forums where people have said someone like Eddie Jones is a good coach for a short time etc and then wears out players, then read after he is dumped players who were being coached by him saying how good he was and still is. So you have to think they would have pretty good idea too, but once again RU believe they need something different and so do what they thought was best. Like you I believe NZR are/will do exactly same, and are pretty well qualified to make decision, certainly more than me or any poster on bored. Even though it's right to all have an opinion.

Chris

Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.

Dan54

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.

Yep it's actually a repeat of letters to the editor in 2008, just substitute names

Chris

@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.

Yep it's actually a repeat of letters to the editor in 2008, just substitute names

Yeah you know my thoughts on the NZR board,But pointless repeating it,let’s see what happens next,I might be pleasantly surprised,and to be honest I hope I am.

nostrildamus

Sorry to resurrect this thread but I can't help but think Sir Steve Hansen is biased towards Foster:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-sir-steve-hansen-labels-jordie-barrett-as-the-biggest-all-blacks-positive-of-2022/QIN2RWVNBBALRHN7O75UEIXWMA/

“They were tough decisions that had to be made but were made by Ian and the ship has turned itself around and I think they go into the World Cup with quite a bit of excitement,” Hansen said.

Tell me if I am wrong but those (coaching) changes were forced on Foster. So being "made by Ian" is a rewriting.

I agree with his excitement about Jordie at 12 though. But I'd also have mentioned the improvement in the forwards.

MiketheSnow

@No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:

If we're going to blame coaches for Mo'unga's struggles at test level, maybe we could point the finger at Robertson for having him focus on playing a style that is not conducive to test footy at Super level.

Horseshit

That’s not Robertson’s job

MiketheSnow

@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:

if this is the case, just highlights how poorly run NZR are.

Last time they had minimal applicants due to people thinking it was a done deal, this time, 10 months or so before any announcement is to be made, presumably prior to any official applications, media already painting a picture of a done deal, that may or may not have some truth to it.

Last time didnt they send out 'invitations' to eligible coaches after the RWC?

Or they are actually thinking ahead like any good business and lining up successors. They are damned whatever they do. I'm not being an apologist, just realistic that they will know way more about the candidates, the board direction for the game and the needs/wants of coaches out there.
Punters think it is simple because they hate Foster and like Razor. What if JJ was told to go away and get test experience so that he is ready? Do you give the job to someone without test experience and probably lose JJ and Brown forever? Do you tell Razor to do what JJ has done and come back next cycle?

Edit: I think Tony Brown is the most important part of the equation we are missing tbh.

Ryan on forwards, Brown on backs attack.

Surely to be a successor you have to have success?

Dan54

@MiketheSnow said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:

If we're going to blame coaches for Mo'unga's struggles at test level, maybe we could point the finger at Robertson for having him focus on playing a style that is not conducive to test footy at Super level.

Horseshit

That’s not Robertson’s job

Yep I think the problem is that Mounga isn't as great a 10 as many claim, great at super level, but doesn't quite have the game for test matches as yet, not Razor's fault (who's job is to coach a team to play in a loose defence comp), anymore than it was any of my coaches fault that I played a style that was suited to low level club rugby. Sometimes you can only coach players to their ability.
I am quite confident that if Razor was coaching the ABs, and Mounga played the same all the Razor crowd would blame Mounga.
We have seen it in history, does anyone remember the vitriol from a certain area of NZ when Deans didn't get AB job, when he failed with Wallabies it was because the players were no good? In Deans case he was a very good super level coach and perhaps that was all?

Machpants

@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:

Sorry to resurrect this thread but I can't help but think Sir Steve Hansen is biased towards Foster:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-sir-steve-hansen-labels-jordie-barrett-as-the-biggest-all-blacks-positive-of-2022/QIN2RWVNBBALRHN7O75UEIXWMA/
“They were tough decisions that had to be made but were made by Ian and the ship has turned itself around and I think they go into the World Cup with quite a bit of excitement,” Hansen said.
Tell me if I am wrong but those (coaching) changes were forced on Foster. So being "made by Ian" is a rewriting.

I agree with his excitement about Jordie at 12 though. But I'd also have mentioned the improvement in the forwards.

Yup many of great finds have been forced, jordie was particularly egregious. Every man and his dog was calling for him at 12, and multiple times foster said we see him as a fullback. Injury enforced start at 12 that went rather well, Nek minute Foster's claiming it was always the plan. Yeah right

Dan54

@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.

Chris

@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.

On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.

gt12

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.

On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.

Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel

canefan

@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.

On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.

Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel

Canes4life and me among others as well

Dan54

@Chris Hey I was one who wanted him tried (about 3 years ago, but Canes wouldn't even really give him a go there), but I restate what I said , hardly every man and his dog which I was replying to. I know I got shouted down when I suggested it on at least one forum. Mind you I wasn't over the top, just wondered if he would be an option to look at, think on at least one forum I was just blasted as a Canes man etc etc.
I actually think if we read enough forums or even threads we will find a few suggesting any number of players, hey it's why we come on forums, noone actually has to stand by what they say or suggest. And it's all good.

Chris

@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris Hey I was one who wanted him tried (about 3 years ago, but Canes wouldn't even really give him a go there), but I restate what I said , hardly every man and his dog which I was replying to. I know I got shouted down when I suggested it on at least one forum. Mind you I wasn't over the top, just wondered if he would be an option to look at, think on at least one forum I was just blasted as a Canes man etc etc.
I actually think if we read enough forums or even threads we will find a few suggesting any number of players, hey it's why we come on forums, noone actually has to stand by what they say or suggest. And it's all good.

Not bagging you mate just mentioning its been talked about on this forum by a few people for quite some time.Maybe this is a more intelligent forum that most with a lot of people with great ideas.WAIT A MINUTE what am I saying FFS its the Fern.

Rancid Schnitzel

@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.

On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.

Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel

4 years in fact

nostrildamus

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.

On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.

Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel

4 years in fact

You built a poolroom around this framed screenshot, didn't you?!

MN5

@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.

On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.

Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel

4 years in fact

You built a poolroom around this framed screenshot, didn't you?!

I want to find my post where I predicted David Tua would knock out Shane Cameron by the second round

Dan54

@MN5 Surely you maked it???:grinning_squinting_face:

nostrildamus

@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:

@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.

On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.

Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel

4 years in fact

You built a poolroom around this framed screenshot, didn't you?!

Just to add regards that second bit about Laumape-some people [not here of course] have recently been bagging him for looking good against the Japanese. That's better than some of the ABs!

The Silver Fern

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