Foster, Robertson etc
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
if this is the case, just highlights how poorly run NZR are.
Last time they had minimal applicants due to people thinking it was a done deal, this time, 10 months or so before any announcement is to be made, presumably prior to any official applications, media already painting a picture of a done deal, that may or may not have some truth to it.
Last time didnt they send out 'invitations' to eligible coaches after the RWC?
Or they are actually thinking ahead like any good business and lining up successors. They are damned whatever they do. I'm not being an apologist, just realistic that they will know way more about the candidates, the board direction for the game and the needs/wants of coaches out there.
Punters think it is simple because they hate Foster and like Razor. What if JJ was told to go away and get test experience so that he is ready? Do you give the job to someone without test experience and probably lose JJ and Brown forever? Do you tell Razor to do what JJ has done and come back next cycle?Edit: I think Tony Brown is the most important part of the equation we are missing tbh.
Ryan on forwards, Brown on backs attack.
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
if this is the case, just highlights how poorly run NZR are.
Last time they had minimal applicants due to people thinking it was a done deal, this time, 10 months or so before any announcement is to be made, presumably prior to any official applications, media already painting a picture of a done deal, that may or may not have some truth to it.
Last time didnt they send out 'invitations' to eligible coaches after the RWC?
Or they are actually thinking ahead like any good business and lining up successors. They are damned whatever they do. I'm not being an apologist, just realistic that they will know way more about the candidates, the board direction for the game and the needs/wants of coaches out there.
Punters think it is simple because they hate Foster and like Razor. What if JJ was told to go away and get test experience so that he is ready? Do you give the job to someone without test experience and probably lose JJ and Brown forever? Do you tell Razor to do what JJ has done and come back next cycle?Edit: I think Tony Brown is the most important part of the equation we are missing tbh.
Ryan on forwards, Brown on backs attack.
Surely to be a successor you have to have success?
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@No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If we're going to blame coaches for Mo'unga's struggles at test level, maybe we could point the finger at Robertson for having him focus on playing a style that is not conducive to test footy at Super level.
Horseshit
That’s not Robertson’s job
@MiketheSnow said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@No-Quarter said in Foster, Robertson etc:
If we're going to blame coaches for Mo'unga's struggles at test level, maybe we could point the finger at Robertson for having him focus on playing a style that is not conducive to test footy at Super level.
Horseshit
That’s not Robertson’s job
Yep I think the problem is that Mounga isn't as great a 10 as many claim, great at super level, but doesn't quite have the game for test matches as yet, not Razor's fault (who's job is to coach a team to play in a loose defence comp), anymore than it was any of my coaches fault that I played a style that was suited to low level club rugby. Sometimes you can only coach players to their ability.
I am quite confident that if Razor was coaching the ABs, and Mounga played the same all the Razor crowd would blame Mounga.
We have seen it in history, does anyone remember the vitriol from a certain area of NZ when Deans didn't get AB job, when he failed with Wallabies it was because the players were no good? In Deans case he was a very good super level coach and perhaps that was all? -
Sorry to resurrect this thread but I can't help but think Sir Steve Hansen is biased towards Foster:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-sir-steve-hansen-labels-jordie-barrett-as-the-biggest-all-blacks-positive-of-2022/QIN2RWVNBBALRHN7O75UEIXWMA/“They were tough decisions that had to be made but were made by Ian and the ship has turned itself around and I think they go into the World Cup with quite a bit of excitement,” Hansen said.Tell me if I am wrong but those (coaching) changes were forced on Foster. So being "made by Ian" is a rewriting.
I agree with his excitement about Jordie at 12 though. But I'd also have mentioned the improvement in the forwards.
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Sorry to resurrect this thread but I can't help but think Sir Steve Hansen is biased towards Foster:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-sir-steve-hansen-labels-jordie-barrett-as-the-biggest-all-blacks-positive-of-2022/QIN2RWVNBBALRHN7O75UEIXWMA/“They were tough decisions that had to be made but were made by Ian and the ship has turned itself around and I think they go into the World Cup with quite a bit of excitement,” Hansen said.Tell me if I am wrong but those (coaching) changes were forced on Foster. So being "made by Ian" is a rewriting.
I agree with his excitement about Jordie at 12 though. But I'd also have mentioned the improvement in the forwards.
Yup many of great finds have been forced, jordie was particularly egregious. Every man and his dog was calling for him at 12, and multiple times foster said we see him as a fullback. Injury enforced start at 12 that went rather well, Nek minute Foster's claiming it was always the plan. Yeah right
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@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Sorry to resurrect this thread but I can't help but think Sir Steve Hansen is biased towards Foster:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-sir-steve-hansen-labels-jordie-barrett-as-the-biggest-all-blacks-positive-of-2022/QIN2RWVNBBALRHN7O75UEIXWMA/“They were tough decisions that had to be made but were made by Ian and the ship has turned itself around and I think they go into the World Cup with quite a bit of excitement,” Hansen said.Tell me if I am wrong but those (coaching) changes were forced on Foster. So being "made by Ian" is a rewriting.
I agree with his excitement about Jordie at 12 though. But I'd also have mentioned the improvement in the forwards.
Yup many of great finds have been forced, jordie was particularly egregious. Every man and his dog was calling for him at 12, and multiple times foster said we see him as a fullback. Injury enforced start at 12 that went rather well, Nek minute Foster's claiming it was always the plan. Yeah right
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@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
Canes4life and me among others as well
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
@Chris Hey I was one who wanted him tried (about 3 years ago, but Canes wouldn't even really give him a go there), but I restate what I said , hardly every man and his dog which I was replying to. I know I got shouted down when I suggested it on at least one forum. Mind you I wasn't over the top, just wondered if he would be an option to look at, think on at least one forum I was just blasted as a Canes man etc etc.
I actually think if we read enough forums or even threads we will find a few suggesting any number of players, hey it's why we come on forums, noone actually has to stand by what they say or suggest. And it's all good. -
@Chris Hey I was one who wanted him tried (about 3 years ago, but Canes wouldn't even really give him a go there), but I restate what I said , hardly every man and his dog which I was replying to. I know I got shouted down when I suggested it on at least one forum. Mind you I wasn't over the top, just wondered if he would be an option to look at, think on at least one forum I was just blasted as a Canes man etc etc.
I actually think if we read enough forums or even threads we will find a few suggesting any number of players, hey it's why we come on forums, noone actually has to stand by what they say or suggest. And it's all good.@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris Hey I was one who wanted him tried (about 3 years ago, but Canes wouldn't even really give him a go there), but I restate what I said , hardly every man and his dog which I was replying to. I know I got shouted down when I suggested it on at least one forum. Mind you I wasn't over the top, just wondered if he would be an option to look at, think on at least one forum I was just blasted as a Canes man etc etc.
I actually think if we read enough forums or even threads we will find a few suggesting any number of players, hey it's why we come on forums, noone actually has to stand by what they say or suggest. And it's all good.Not bagging you mate just mentioning its been talked about on this forum by a few people for quite some time.Maybe this is a more intelligent forum that most with a lot of people with great ideas.WAIT A MINUTE what am I saying FFS its the Fern.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
4 years in fact
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@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
4 years in fact
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
4 years in fact
You built a poolroom around this framed screenshot, didn't you?!
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
4 years in fact
You built a poolroom around this framed screenshot, didn't you?!
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
4 years in fact
You built a poolroom around this framed screenshot, didn't you?!
I want to find my post where I predicted David Tua would knock out Shane Cameron by the second round
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@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
4 years in fact
You built a poolroom around this framed screenshot, didn't you?!
I want to find my post where I predicted David Tua would knock out Shane Cameron by the second round
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
4 years in fact
You built a poolroom around this framed screenshot, didn't you?!
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants Geez I don't recall hearing or reading everyone calling for Jordie at 12, in fact on a couple of forums I saw plenty rubbish idea.
On this forum there were quite few calling for Jordie to be at 12 as far back as 2021 as I remember.
Far before that @Rancid-Schnitzel
4 years in fact
You built a poolroom around this framed screenshot, didn't you?!
Just to add regards that second bit about Laumape-some people [not here of course] have recently been bagging him for looking good against the Japanese. That's better than some of the ABs!
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Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants. -
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants.@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants.I'd go the other way.
A successful World Cup would have been Foster's best chance of reappointment.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants.I'd go the other way.
A successful World Cup would have been Foster's best chance of reappointment.
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants.I'd go the other way.
A successful World Cup would have been Foster's best chance of reappointment.
If they announce his successor it may add something to our chances because the players will want to try and send him off in style
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants.I'd go the other way.
A successful World Cup would have been Foster's best chance of reappointment.
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants.I'd go the other way.
A successful World Cup would have been Foster's best chance of reappointment.
I am hoping your way is correct,But I don't trust the NZR board.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but is it always this early before the world cup?
No it's always after the WC early the next year, interesting it maybe pre world cup.
I suppose a way to give Foster 4 more years , I suppose they can't dump him if he hasn't failed at the WC, if he has been reappointed on what he has done so far it must be good enough to keep going if he wants.I'd go the other way.
A successful World Cup would have been Foster's best chance of reappointment.
If they announce his successor it may add something to our chances because the players will want to try and send him off in style
