All Blacks 2023
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@Chris-B This is a stronger squad than 2019 and we are not going there with the pressure of being World Champs, hosts or favourites.
Really excited to see how far this side can go in France.
@sparky Yes it is. 2019 was an absolute mess with guys out of position, Savea, Cane and Todd all in the 23, Brodie Retallick clearly playing injured, 4 average midfield backs constantly getting rotated out for each other, about 10 guys used at 6 before chucking Scott Barrett there for the SF having never played there in his life, Mo'unga and BB playing at 10 and 15 when they didn't know what they were doing out there as there was no actual game plan as to how they were gonna play (it works now as Mo'unga control the play from first receiver now and BB actually plays as a 15), where as back then BB would just push his way into 10 and Mo'unga was virtually unemployed out there. Guys like Ta'avao and Tuipulotu somehow squeezed their way into the 23 , anyone outside of Crusaders territory could have told you that Bridge shouldn't have been there despite constantly scoring tries against inferior SR opposition, Reece also wasn't ready back then (yes I know, there was that try in pool play against the Boks) but that was about it, and the less said about Jordie Barrett on the wing, the better.
That side that Hansen picked out of a weet bix box was a complete abortion. He really was out of his depth once Wayne Smith left and left Fozzie to pick up the pieces and rebuild an absolute shambles that Shag left. It took a while, but I feel we've made progress of late. Hopefully we see it come WC time.
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Fozzie was part of the Hansen team though ..
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2023:
What do we know about Brodie Retallick’s and Braydon Ennor’s knee injuries?
Being scanned, nothing else yet. I guess more info might be forthcoming at the announcement tomorrow
Foster seemed to say something about Ennor’s injury being worse than Retallick’s.
If Ennor’s not going be available for a few weeks, that might well cement David Havili’s place ahead of him.
If Brodie’s going to need time to recover, how long do we give him? Does that end up meaning we take an extra Lock and one less Back Row player?
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Foster seemed to say something about Ennor’s injury being worse than Retallick’s.
If Ennor’s not going be available for a few weeks, that might well cement David Havili’s place ahead of him.
If Brodie’s going to need time to recover, how long do we give him? Does that end up meaning we take an extra Lock and one less Back Row player?
@sparky dont need Brodie coming in cold again...
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
Liam Napier reporting Brodie could miss 2 WC games and Ennor could miss the whole Cup
Damn. Just as I was coming around to Ennor a little bit. He was one of the only bright sparks in the first half yesterday. We have Sam and Scooter, so there is less pressure on BBBR to come back quick
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
Liam Napier reporting Brodie could miss 2 WC games and Ennor could miss the whole Cup
Not too bad an outcome imo. I feared BBBR would have been out of the whole thing. A shame about Ennor, was starting to look good.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
Liam Napier reporting Brodie could miss 2 WC games and Ennor could miss the whole Cup
Still sucks that he's not there for France, but if he can play Minnow 2 then Italy, that's a good warm into knock outs
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
Liam Napier reporting Brodie could miss 2 WC games and Ennor could miss the whole Cup
Liam Napier’s got the best sauces.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2023:
Liam Napier reporting Brodie could miss 2 WC games and Ennor could miss the whole Cup
Liam Napier’s got the best sauces.
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Foster seemed to say something about Ennor’s injury being worse than Retallick’s.
If Ennor’s not going be available for a few weeks, that might well cement David Havili’s place ahead of him.
If Brodie’s going to need time to recover, how long do we give him? Does that end up meaning we take an extra Lock and one less Back Row player?
@sparky said in All Blacks 2023:
Foster seemed to say something about Ennor’s injury being worse than Retallick’s.
If Ennor’s not going be available for a few weeks, that might well cement David Havili’s place ahead of him.
If Brodie’s going to need time to recover, how long do we give him? Does that end up meaning we take an extra Lock and one less Back Row player?
I hope Dallas Mcleod is ahead of Havili.
I mean, if we want to have any sort of go-forward at 12 if Jordie is unavailable. -
@sparky said in All Blacks 2023:
Foster seemed to say something about Ennor’s injury being worse than Retallick’s.
If Ennor’s not going be available for a few weeks, that might well cement David Havili’s place ahead of him.
If Brodie’s going to need time to recover, how long do we give him? Does that end up meaning we take an extra Lock and one less Back Row player?
I hope Dallas Mcleod is ahead of Havili.
I mean, if we want to have any sort of go-forward at 12 if Jordie is unavailable.@Frank I think I was the only one not overly impressed with McLeod. Like he didn't fuck things up when he came on, but all he did was go straight to ground on the carry, and struggled to get guys to ground on defence. Looked nothing more than average to me, and I'd happily take Havili over him. At least Havili can cover a few positions.
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@Frank I think I was the only one not overly impressed with McLeod. Like he didn't fuck things up when he came on, but all he did was go straight to ground on the carry, and struggled to get guys to ground on defence. Looked nothing more than average to me, and I'd happily take Havili over him. At least Havili can cover a few positions.
@African-Monkey
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@Frank I think I was the only one not overly impressed with McLeod. Like he didn't fuck things up when he came on, but all he did was go straight to ground on the carry, and struggled to get guys to ground on defence. Looked nothing more than average to me, and I'd happily take Havili over him. At least Havili can cover a few positions.
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@Frank I think I was the only one not overly impressed with McLeod. Like he didn't fuck things up when he came on, but all he did was go straight to ground on the carry, and struggled to get guys to ground on defence. Looked nothing more than average to me, and I'd happily take Havili over him. At least Havili can cover a few positions.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2023:
I think I was the only one not overly impressed with McLeod. Like he didn't fuck things up when he came on
Without being sarcastic in any way, that's a big improvement over some of the midfield crap we've put up with in recent years
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The All Blacks account just posted this "highlights reel" of big Leicester on YouTube. Would they do that if he didn't make the squad? Or shouldn't we read anything into that post?
