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All Blacks 2023

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  • R reprobate

    Christie isn' a bad player, I like him but wouldn't pick him as he's just so different in style to Smith that it makes no sense selecting him because the whole game changes in your key decision-making positions. Same was true of Perenara of course.

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    @reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:

    Christie isn' a bad player, I like him but wouldn't pick him as he's just so different in style to Smith that it makes no sense selecting him because the whole game changes in your key decision-making positions. Same was true of Perenara of course.

    I think perhaps it's why they pick him? If you want to play a different style? I also think Roigard is pretty different style too.

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    • canefanC canefan

      @reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:

      Christie isn' a bad player, I like him but wouldn't pick him as he's just so different in style to Smith that it makes no sense selecting him because the whole game changes in your key decision-making positions. Same was true of Perenara of course.

      Not sure it's fair to TJP to compare him to Christie....

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      @canefan said in All Blacks 2023:

      @reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:

      Christie isn' a bad player, I like him but wouldn't pick him as he's just so different in style to Smith that it makes no sense selecting him because the whole game changes in your key decision-making positions. Same was true of Perenara of course.

      Not sure it's fair to TJP to compare him to Christie....

      I had concerns over TJp in his early years , seemed a bit loose between the ears

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      • Dan54D Dan54

        @reprobate said in All Blacks 2023:

        Christie isn' a bad player, I like him but wouldn't pick him as he's just so different in style to Smith that it makes no sense selecting him because the whole game changes in your key decision-making positions. Same was true of Perenara of course.

        I think perhaps it's why they pick him? If you want to play a different style? I also think Roigard is pretty different style too.

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        @Dan54 In theory sure, but I don't see it in this case - we don't use our 2nd half back to change tactics if things aren't going well. In fact we use our bench really poorly and tend to lose continuity.

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        • R reprobate

          Christie isn' a bad player, I like him but wouldn't pick him as he's just so different in style to Smith that it makes no sense selecting him because the whole game changes in your key decision-making positions. Same was true of Perenara of course.

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          @reprobate

          I think he's OK closing out a game and his D is excellent, but he struggles starting at 9.

          Not that it's likely, but would be interesting to see Christie starting behind the A pack. He got a lot of stick from Bled 2 but the forwards were pretty much under the pump in the first 20.

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            I didn't watch carefully on Saturday, but in Pumas game it was noticeable that Christie's was several yards behind the gain line, whilst Nuggie's is often right on it.

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              https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rieko/

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                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/jordie-barrett-details-physical-transformation-for-midfield-switch/

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                • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                  @reprobate

                  I think he's OK closing out a game and his D is excellent, but he struggles starting at 9.

                  Not that it's likely, but would be interesting to see Christie starting behind the A pack. He got a lot of stick from Bled 2 but the forwards were pretty much under the pump in the first 20.

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                  @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

                  @reprobate

                  I think he's OK closing out a game and his D is excellent, but he struggles starting at 9.

                  Not that it's likely, but would be interesting to see Christie starting behind the A pack. He got a lot of stick from Bled 2 but the forwards were pretty much under the pump in the first 20.

                  He's not a bad player, and I agree his defence is very good and he can close out games if we're ahead. But I care about attack and want an option on the bench that either fits in to the rapid style seamlessly, or adds something / gives us a different approach if we're in trouble. At some point we're likely to be behind with 20 to go, and Foster will bring Christie on, and our chances of winning will diminish because a good defensive player isn't always what is required, plus slower service making it harder for others to attack. Not just Christie either, I reckon our use of the bench has become really ordinary.

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                    Confirmation that Beauden Barrett has an ongoing Achilles problem.

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                    • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                      @reprobate

                      I think he's OK closing out a game and his D is excellent, but he struggles starting at 9.

                      Not that it's likely, but would be interesting to see Christie starting behind the A pack. He got a lot of stick from Bled 2 but the forwards were pretty much under the pump in the first 20.

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                      @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

                      D is excellent

                      Not sure I buy that.

                      He seems to be a very good tackler for a halfback, but that doesn't necessarily make him an excellent defender.

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                      • TimT Tim

                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/jordie-barrett-details-physical-transformation-for-midfield-switch/

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                        @Tim said in All Blacks 2023:

                        https://www.rugbypass.com/news/jordie-barrett-details-physical-transformation-for-midfield-switch/

                        A little while back, we were trying to guess his weight,

                        105 kgs

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                        • BonesB Bones

                          @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

                          D is excellent

                          Not sure I buy that.

                          He seems to be a very good tackler for a halfback, but that doesn't necessarily make him an excellent defender.

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                          @Bones

                          I re-watched the last 20 mins of the Bokke Test and thought his anticipation and tackling were both very good. Sadly, almost the opposite of his anticipation on attack and his speed of passing...

                          I'd prefer Weber - or Roigard with a few games under his belt - though

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                            We really want to speed up the game last twenty, esp versus sides which are all big units. There's is a reason they ask try to slow down every set piece. So we should have our fastest 9, or at least second fastest finish. Pick up the pace, ABs still have a fitness edge imo

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                              Good on him
                              https://fb.watch/mlFZUAJzal/

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                                Wasn't aware of that - could well be a driver for ducking out early on the ABs.
                                Screenshot_2023-08-12-15-53-35-58_a23b203fd3aafc6dcb84e438dda678b6.jpg

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                                  https://www.rugbypass.com/plus/2023-may-be-just-a-warm-up-ahead-of-tongas-big-rugby-world-cup-charge/

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                                    My feeling is that Razor will try to change eligibilty rules and get someone like Richie back for the All Blacks if that is the case he could indeed go on to be a great in the 10 jersey. The island nations will be stronger not only in this World Cup, also in the future.

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                                      My feeling is that Razor will try to change eligibilty rules and get someone like Richie back for the All Blacks if that is the case he could indeed go on to be a great in the 10 jersey. The island nations will be stronger not only in this World Cup, also in the future.

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                                      @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:

                                      My feeling is that Razor will try to change eligibilty rules and get someone like Richie back for the All Blacks if that is the case he could indeed go on to be a great in the 10 jersey. The island nations will be stronger not only in this World Cup, also in the future.

                                      I hate everything about this post

                                      No to change the rules.

                                      And no to players just moving to play for other nations just because they've taken the cash elsewhere

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                                        @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:

                                        My feeling is that Razor will try to change eligibilty rules and get someone like Richie back for the All Blacks if that is the case he could indeed go on to be a great in the 10 jersey. The island nations will be stronger not only in this World Cup, also in the future.

                                        I hate everything about this post

                                        No to change the rules.

                                        And no to players just moving to play for other nations just because they've taken the cash elsewhere

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                                        @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2023:

                                        @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2023:

                                        My feeling is that Razor will try to change eligibilty rules and get someone like Richie back for the All Blacks if that is the case he could indeed go on to be a great in the 10 jersey. The island nations will be stronger not only in this World Cup, also in the future.

                                        I hate everything about this post

                                        No to change the rules.

                                        And no to players just moving to play for other nations just because they've taken the cash elsewhere

                                        Yeah totally agree I would hate to see that ruled changed,Pick the AB's from players playing at home it has to stay that way is my thinking.

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                                          I also think Razor will be confident enough in his abilities to not have to pick overseas players to win.

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