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All Blacks 2023

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  • canefanC canefan

    @Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2023:

    As a serial Foster basher, for all the crap he got (deservedly so in my book), he now deserves the credit for assembling a team that seems to be well-coached. It can't go just one way. Foster, Schmitt, and Ryan are giving us a team that is soooo far from the headless chook, directionless days of 2020, 2021, and early 2022.

    If we're being honest that team was imposed on him when the NZRFU got rid of the previous assistants

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    @canefan said in All Blacks 2023:

    If we're being honest that team was imposed on him when the NZRFU got rid of the previous assistants

    "Imposed on him"? He always wanted Schmidt as Assistant Coach and has made that clear (can't be arsed to google it yet again).

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    • antipodeanA antipodean

      @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

      I think Ryan has made a difference there, and seems to have forwards going better than maybe Plumtree did? But it quite hard to judge

      I'd say it's night and day.

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      @antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:

      @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

      I think Ryan has made a difference there, and seems to have forwards going better than maybe Plumtree did? But it quite hard to judge

      I'd say it's night and day.

      I don't think they are going forward better than under Plumtree, but they are doing it for more than 20% of the game and not making the stupid, serial dumb mistakes which handed momentum back to the opposition we've seen in the past.

      Huge improvement and kudos to Ryan.

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      • O Old Samurai Jack

        As a serial Foster basher, for all the crap he got (deservedly so in my book), he now deserves the credit for assembling a team that seems to be well-coached. It can't go just one way. Foster, Schmitt, and Ryan are giving us a team that is soooo far from the headless chook, directionless days of 2020, 2021, and early 2022.

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        @Old-Samurai-Jack

        My view has been Foster inherited a pile of poo from Hansen and NZ Rugby has fallen behind other countries in developing players and a pipeline for the national team. Wasn't convinced he was the cause of all the ills and another Head Coach would deliver nirvana but neither was I convinced Foster was the bloke to turn it around either

        Thought he should have gone after Ireland III and was appalled at the way he was treated by NZR, but he clearly had the confidence of the players in spades.

        Early days, but it looks like different team and Foster - equally with Ryan, Schmidt, McLeod and the players - deserve a lot of credit

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        • Billy TellB Billy Tell

          I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

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          @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

          I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

          I’m not predicting anything, but feel anxious towards that game already .

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          • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

            @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

            I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

            I’m not predicting anything, but feel anxious towards that game already .

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            @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2023:

            @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

            I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

            I’m not predicting anything, but feel anxious towards that game already .

            I have nightmares about us cruising into the semis and deciding to fuck about with the 6 jersey. Again.

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            • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

              @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2023:

              @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

              I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

              I’m not predicting anything, but feel anxious towards that game already .

              I have nightmares about us cruising into the semis and deciding to fuck about with the 6 jersey. Again.

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              @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2023:

              @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2023:

              @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

              I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

              I’m not predicting anything, but feel anxious towards that game already .

              I have nightmares about us cruising into the semis and deciding to fuck about with the 6 jersey. Again.

              6 is the new 13

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              • antipodeanA antipodean

                @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

                I think Ryan has made a difference there, and seems to have forwards going better than maybe Plumtree did? But it quite hard to judge

                I'd say it's night and day.

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                @antipodean said in All Blacks 2023:

                @Dan54 said in All Blacks 2023:

                I think Ryan has made a difference there, and seems to have forwards going better than maybe Plumtree did? But it quite hard to judge

                I'd say it's night and day.

                I wiill admit to being a Ryan fan, he even looks like a forward coach to me!

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                    @pakman

                    I like his analysis, but find him unfunny and his accent sucks.

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                      @pakman

                      I like his analysis, but find him unfunny and his accent sucks.

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                      @Frank said in All Blacks 2023:

                      @pakman

                      I like his analysis, but find him unfunny and his accent sucks.

                      I tend to think he regularly sees patterns where there are none, plus he is offensively ugly. The unfathomable ugliness makes it worth watching until the end, though.

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                      • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                        I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

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                        @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

                        I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

                        I like your confidence that you’ll beat France

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                        • SmutsS Smuts

                          @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

                          I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

                          I like your confidence that you’ll beat France

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                          @Smuts said in All Blacks 2023:

                          @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

                          I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

                          I like your confidence that you’ll beat France

                          ? We’re not losing to Italy so regardless of the French we’ll be in the ¼ finals. Whether that is you guys, Ireland or Scotland only time will tell….

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                          • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                            @Smuts said in All Blacks 2023:

                            @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

                            I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

                            I like your confidence that you’ll beat France

                            ? We’re not losing to Italy so regardless of the French we’ll be in the ¼ finals. Whether that is you guys, Ireland or Scotland only time will tell….

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                            @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

                            @Smuts said in All Blacks 2023:

                            @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

                            I’m reserving judgement. A ¼ final exit to Ireland…

                            I like your confidence that you’ll beat France

                            ? We’re not losing to Italy so regardless of the French we’ll be in the ¼ finals. Whether that is you guys, Ireland or Scotland only time will tell….

                            Fair point. It could be either the Scots or the mick who qualify for QF4.

                            I admire your confidence that you’ll beat France and that the Irish will beat the Scots.

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                              Jacobson an absolute lightweight at this level

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                                Jacobson an absolute lightweight at this level

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                                @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2023:

                                Jacobson an absolute lightweight at this level

                                That’s why I’m glad he played and not finau. We have the proof. There is still time to change the 33. And they should.

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                                • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                  @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2023:

                                  Jacobson an absolute lightweight at this level

                                  That’s why I’m glad he played and not finau. We have the proof. There is still time to change the 33. And they should.

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                                  @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2023:

                                  @Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2023:

                                  Jacobson an absolute lightweight at this level

                                  That’s why I’m glad he played and not finau. We have the proof. There is still time to change the 33. And they should.

                                  This is Foster. Fat chance of him dropping anyone from the original selection. He's too loyal and stupid to make the tough calls.

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                                    Not really sure where to put this, but we are going to be seriously light at lock in the first couple of years after the World Cup. Scooter will be there, and hopefully Lord keeps improving, but I'm unsure Vaa'i will ever be the answer at test level.

                                    The next tier (Strange, Walker-Leawere, Dunshea, Parkinson & Tuipulotu) don't fill me with any joy either. Holland is an All Black in waiting, but don't think he is available until EOYT 2025. Will be interesting to see what happens there.

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                                      What would I change for France? I’d bring McKenzie in at 15 ahead of BB. We are stuck for a centre on the bench unless we really think Leicester can cover centre. Forwards Taylor in, frizzell in.

                                      Other than that we can’t really change the cattle. Discipline, knowing how to win a scrum and lineout, territory and exits are fixable.

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                                      • Billy TellB Billy Tell

                                        What would I change for France? I’d bring McKenzie in at 15 ahead of BB. We are stuck for a centre on the bench unless we really think Leicester can cover centre. Forwards Taylor in, frizzell in.

                                        Other than that we can’t really change the cattle. Discipline, knowing how to win a scrum and lineout, territory and exits are fixable.

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                                        @Billy-Tell

                                        On tonight’s evidence things to fix: scrums, lineouts, handling, positional play against the kick and game management by the senior players.

                                        Those are big things to fix just before a RWC.

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                                          @Billy-Tell

                                          On tonight’s evidence things to fix: scrums, lineouts, handling, positional play against the kick and game management by the senior players.

                                          Those are big things to fix just before a RWC.

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                                          @sparky said in All Blacks 2023:

                                          @Billy-Tell

                                          On tonight’s evidence things to fix: scrums, lineouts, handling, positional play against the kick and game management by the senior players.

                                          Those are big things to fix just before a RWC.

                                          Think you could cover the first two by saying we played the majority of that game without Barrett, and Lord went early + Taylor also not there... on that last point, the fact it wasn't a meaningful game probably explains a portion of it.

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