All Blacks 2024.. locked
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
A lot of things will change during SR. Some teams will lose a lot of experience. Multiple teams with new coaches.
Barrett is the likely captain. I recall Robertson had a meeting with Dalton when he got the job which is interesting.
Dalton has a massive opportunity to get his hands on the 6 jumper. I thought he handled himself well in France. I see lots of spots in Razor's first AB team up for grabs for those who are good enough to take them
I donāt want Papaliāi playing blindside. Heās a very good openside that is growing into the role. Heās built up a fair amount of test experience too.
6 - Finau / Jacobson
7 - Papaliāi
8 - Savea (C)Cane could get the Thorne post-03 RWC treatment
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
A lot of things will change during SR. Some teams will lose a lot of experience. Multiple teams with new coaches.
Barrett is the likely captain. I recall Robertson had a meeting with Dalton when he got the job which is interesting.
Dalton has a massive opportunity to get his hands on the 6 jumper. I thought he handled himself well in France. I see lots of spots in Razor's first AB team up for grabs for those who are good enough to take them
I donāt want Papaliāi playing blindside. Heās a very good openside that is growing into the role. Heās built up a fair amount of test experience too.
6 - Finau / Jacobson
7 - Papaliāi
8 - Savea (C)Cane could get the Thorne post-03 RWC treatment
He's a good team man, so perhaps Cane could be an experienced transitional squad member
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
A lot of things will change during SR. Some teams will lose a lot of experience. Multiple teams with new coaches.
Barrett is the likely captain. I recall Robertson had a meeting with Dalton when he got the job which is interesting.
Dalton has a massive opportunity to get his hands on the 6 jumper. I thought he handled himself well in France. I see lots of spots in Razor's first AB team up for grabs for those who are good enough to take them
I donāt want Papaliāi playing blindside. Heās a very good openside that is growing into the role. Heās built up a fair amount of test experience too.
6 - Finau / Jacobson
7 - Papaliāi
8 - Savea (C)Cane could get the Thorne post-03 RWC treatment
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
A lot of things will change during SR. Some teams will lose a lot of experience. Multiple teams with new coaches.
Barrett is the likely captain. I recall Robertson had a meeting with Dalton when he got the job which is interesting.
Dalton has a massive opportunity to get his hands on the 6 jumper. I thought he handled himself well in France. I see lots of spots in Razor's first AB team up for grabs for those who are good enough to take them
I donāt want Papaliāi playing blindside. Heās a very good openside that is growing into the role. Heās built up a fair amount of test experience too.
6 - Finau / Jacobson
7 - Papaliāi
8 - Savea (C)Cane could get the Thorne post-03 RWC treatment
No Blackadder ? Thatās not how things are done round here
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or Grace or MMT?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024:
MMT?
Did not kick on. Struggled to start for the Highlanders this year and has moved to Japan
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A lot of things will change during SR. Some teams will lose a lot of experience. Multiple teams with new coaches.
Barrett is the likely captain. I recall Robertson had a meeting with Dalton when he got the job which is interesting.
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@taniwharugby completely disagree, need to rip of the bandaid now and get a genuinely international class centre in place for 2027
@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@taniwharugby completely disagree, need to rip of the bandaid now and get a genuinely international class centre in place for 2027
The only problem is we don't have a surfeit of options to waste Tests on if you don't like Rieko.
For much the same reason people got pissy when the AB coaches kept trying to find a blindside flanker.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
I recall Robertson had a meeting with Dalton when he got the job which is interesting.
Did he Though ? I am not sure that is correct from what I understand.
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
I recall Robertson had a meeting with Dalton when he got the job which is interesting.
Did he Though ? I am not sure that is correct from what I understand.
You confirmed it earlier this year?
@Chris said in Itās Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Yeah I heard about them meeting,Potential new AB Captain maybe or a switch in positions to 6.But not 100% sure.
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@Stag said in All Blacks 2024:
@taniwharugby completely disagree, need to rip of the bandaid now and get a genuinely international class centre in place for 2027
The only problem is we don't have a surfeit of options to waste Tests on if you don't like Rieko.
For much the same reason people got pissy when the AB coaches kept trying to find a blindside flanker.
Reiko will be 30 by the time the next WC rolls around not old for a centre,But he will lose some of his pace probably by then which is his major weapon.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I would think Razor is in a very good position as a selector to pick the 2024 squad.
For the last 7 years he has coached and coached against all the NZ players in SR,
He would have a good handle on players strengths which he would have had to combat and any weakness which he would be looking to exploit.
And knowing the same about the players he had coached.
I guess McDonald and Holland should also be aware of who fits into their vision of The ABs tactics and game shape.
For much the same reasons.Ugh, I was happily looking forward to next year while reading this post until I got to here.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I would think Razor is in a very good position as a selector to pick the 2024 squad.
For the last 7 years he has coached and coached against all the NZ players in SR,
He would have a good handle on players strengths which he would have had to combat and any weakness which he would be looking to exploit.
And knowing the same about the players he had coached.
I guess McDonald and Holland should also be aware of who fits into their vision of The ABs tactics and game shape.
For much the same reasons.Ugh, I was happily looking forward to next year while reading this post until I got to here.
I'm having serious doubts about Razor's ability to pick good assistants when I see Leon is going to be the attack coach.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
A lot of things will change during SR. Some teams will lose a lot of experience. Multiple teams with new coaches.
Barrett is the likely captain. I recall Robertson had a meeting with Dalton when he got the job which is interesting.
Dalton has a massive opportunity to get his hands on the 6 jumper. I thought he handled himself well in France. I see lots of spots in Razor's first AB team up for grabs for those who are good enough to take them
I donāt want Papaliāi playing blindside. Heās a very good openside that is growing into the role. Heās built up a fair amount of test experience too.
6 - Finau / Jacobson
7 - Papaliāi
8 - Savea (C)Cane could get the Thorne post-03 RWC treatment
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
6 - Finau / Jacobson
Jacobson is best suited to no.8 and he very rarely plays 6 for the Chiefs.
If Cane isn't selected I wouldn't mind seeing Harmon given an opportunity at 7.
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Iād say something pretty catastrophic would need to occur for Ioane not to be there in 4 years time.
We have the makings of a world class midfield. Razor and co just need to find ways to better utilise their skills. The challenge will be ensuring we have back ups that get experience without the drop off being too far.
QT started to show promise prior to injury and I think a guy like McLeod who has size and a decent head on his shoulders could be āprojectsā that the new coaches would work with.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:
6 - Finau / Jacobson
Jacobson is best suited to no.8 and he very rarely plays 6 for the Chiefs.
If Cane isn't selected I wouldn't mind seeing Harmon given an opportunity at 7.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
Jacobson is best suited to no.8 and he very rarely plays 6 for the Chiefs.
he was meant to play in 2019 RWC but got concussion. Was reflecting how I don't think he's really kicked on - I really rate him, but he has not shone at Test level, and few seem to be on his bandwagon.
Edit: I guess I'm saying 4 years is a long time and predicitons are bloody difficult
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Iād say something pretty catastrophic would need to occur for Ioane not to be there in 4 years time.
We have the makings of a world class midfield. Razor and co just need to find ways to better utilise their skills. The challenge will be ensuring we have back ups that get experience without the drop off being too far.
QT started to show promise prior to injury and I think a guy like McLeod who has size and a decent head on his shoulders could be āprojectsā that the new coaches would work with.
@ACT-Crusader McLeod provides great utility off the bench too. I'd even be tempted to have him on the left wing.
Will Jordan can't even handle wing and people want him at fullback. He's a flash in the pan, flat track bully with not a lot of real rugby skill. Has he grown as a player in the last 4 years?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I would think Razor is in a very good position as a selector to pick the 2024 squad.
For the last 7 years he has coached and coached against all the NZ players in SR,
He would have a good handle on players strengths which he would have had to combat and any weakness which he would be looking to exploit.
And knowing the same about the players he had coached.
I guess McDonald and Holland should also be aware of who fits into their vision of The ABs tactics and game shape.
For much the same reasons.Ugh, I was happily looking forward to next year while reading this post until I got to here.
I'm having serious doubts about Razor's ability to pick good assistants when I see Leon is going to be the attack coach.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
I would think Razor is in a very good position as a selector to pick the 2024 squad.
For the last 7 years he has coached and coached against all the NZ players in SR,
He would have a good handle on players strengths which he would have had to combat and any weakness which he would be looking to exploit.
And knowing the same about the players he had coached.
I guess McDonald and Holland should also be aware of who fits into their vision of The ABs tactics and game shape.
For much the same reasons.Ugh, I was happily looking forward to next year while reading this post until I got to here.
I'm having serious doubts about Razor's ability to pick good assistants when I see Leon is going to be the attack coach.
Some people make better assistant coaches than Head Coache's,Leon did ok for the Crusaders under Razor it may work again.
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It would be great to see structure and strategy similar to Ireland's. Have got fed up with the randomness over the last few years even if it had moments of brilliance. Razor is under pressure to deliver as always.
Obviously the head highs and TMOs need sorting too as it's driving everyone mental. -
It would be great to see structure and strategy similar to Ireland's. Have got fed up with the randomness over the last few years even if it had moments of brilliance. Razor is under pressure to deliver as always.
Obviously the head highs and TMOs need sorting too as it's driving everyone mental.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
structure and strategy similar to Ireland's
Fucking yuck. Is that where our hopes and dreams lie these days?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:
I recall Robertson had a meeting with Dalton when he got the job which is interesting.
Did he Though ? I am not sure that is correct from what I understand.
You confirmed it earlier this year?
@Chris said in Itās Razor. Robertson New All Blacks coach.:
Yeah I heard about them meeting,Potential new AB Captain maybe or a switch in positions to 6.But not 100% sure.
I didnāt confirm is was for Dalton to be captain
As George asked me if I had heard about it
He said it was to make Dalton Captain I said not sure what is was about.
Not sure as I understand it was about being Captain.
Scott Barrett maybe closer to getting that role. -
Dalton as 7 and a vice captain option would make sense - if he can put together a strong Blues season.
I agree with liking what I see from Mcleod - in theory I think his game translates well to test footy.
Fullback will be an interesting watch during Super with the 15 shirt now up for grabs - Jordan / Stevenson / Love / Zarn / Kneepkens plus others
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I've never been a fan of Rieko at centre but he was rock bloody solid during the RWC and that combo with Jordie is looking better for each test. I just hope he continues to improve his passing game, which is still pretty average Actually passing the ball isn't the same as being a good passer or distributor. What I like is that he's been very good on defence and is a genuine threat whenever he touches the ball. IMHO that makes up for his deficiencies.
Cane has unfortunately proven to be a liability. Maybe he can be an impact reserve but not as starting captain. I would add that to my very amateur eye, he stands way too upright when tackling and cards will be inevitable.
