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  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

    I think the 23 below as a starting point next year would be pretty decent but I'm sure other players will put their hands up during Super. First five depth is clearly an area of weakness. I've put Perofeta on the bench but it could be anyone.

    1. De Groot
    2. Taylor
    3. Lomax
    4. Barrett
    5. Lord
    6. Finau
    7. Blackadder (I think Razor will pick Blackadder over Dalton here)
    8. Savea
    9. Roigard
    10. McKenzie
    11. Telea
    12. Barrett
    13. Ioane
    14. Narawa
    15. Jordan
    16. Taukei’aho
    17. Williams
    18. Newell
    19. Vaai
    20. Flanders (I'm being Canes biased by selecting Flanders here but I think he'll have a massive season in 2024. Can cover 6/8.
    21. Fakatava
    22. Perofeta
    23. Stevenson
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    #167

    @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

    1. Blackadder (I think Razor will pick Blackadder over Dalton here)

    Blackadder has bulked up - which he didn't need to do if he wanted to play 7 - pretty clear statement that he's going to specialize at 6 or 8 - most likely 6.

    I'm sure he and Grace will be playing 6 and 8 next year for the Crusaders. If they can stay injury free, there's a good chance both will be in the AB squad contesting those positions.

    I think Fabian Holland will be worth keeping an eye on. He's got dimensions that few others have.

    Billy Proctor a chance in the midfield.

    We will need one or two first fives - beyond DMac. Super rugby will be interesting in that regard - to see who emerges on top.

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    • Chris B.C Chris B.

      @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

      1. Blackadder (I think Razor will pick Blackadder over Dalton here)

      Blackadder has bulked up - which he didn't need to do if he wanted to play 7 - pretty clear statement that he's going to specialize at 6 or 8 - most likely 6.

      I'm sure he and Grace will be playing 6 and 8 next year for the Crusaders. If they can stay injury free, there's a good chance both will be in the AB squad contesting those positions.

      I think Fabian Holland will be worth keeping an eye on. He's got dimensions that few others have.

      Billy Proctor a chance in the midfield.

      We will need one or two first fives - beyond DMac. Super rugby will be interesting in that regard - to see who emerges on top.

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      @Chris-B the main reason i am hoping Finau kicks on is, he's a damn sight taller than the other 6 options floated around. And with a couple of new locks also required, the lineout will be under a little more pressure next year

      also he wrecks fluffybunnies and loves the hard carry

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        Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

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        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

          Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

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          @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

          Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

          If he played 45mins in RWC final I think he would've made at least two tackles

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          • DuluthD Duluth

            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

            Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

            If he played 45mins in RWC final I think he would've made at least two tackles

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            @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

            Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

            If he played 45mins in RWC final I think he would've made at least two tackles

            and those two people would have required medical attention

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            • DuluthD Duluth

              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

              Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

              If he played 45mins in RWC final I think he would've made at least two tackles

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              @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

              Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

              If he played 45mins in RWC final I think he would've made at least two tackles

              did frizell only make one tackle?!

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                I saw Finau a couple of weeks ago. He's much bigger than you think when up close.

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                • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                  @Chris-B the main reason i am hoping Finau kicks on is, he's a damn sight taller than the other 6 options floated around. And with a couple of new locks also required, the lineout will be under a little more pressure next year

                  also he wrecks fluffybunnies and loves the hard carry

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                  @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @Chris-B the main reason i am hoping Finau kicks on is, he's a damn sight taller than the other 6 options floated around. And with a couple of new locks also required, the lineout will be under a little more pressure next year

                  also he wrecks fluffybunnies and loves the hard carry

                  I've never noticed before that these posts read differently in the edit pane. Fluffybunnies disappears - to be expected, I guess. 🙂

                  Right now, I'm expecting Finau to be there as well. We need size (especially height) at 6 - especially if Ardie is playing 8.

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                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

                    Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

                    If he played 45mins in RWC final I think he would've made at least two tackles

                    did frizell only make one tackle?!

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                    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

                    @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

                    Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

                    If he played 45mins in RWC final I think he would've made at least two tackles

                    did frizell only make one tackle?!

                    Yes

                    To be fair, he attempted two tackles

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                    • DuluthD Duluth

                      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

                      Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

                      If he played 45mins in RWC final I think he would've made at least two tackles

                      did frizell only make one tackle?!

                      Yes

                      To be fair, he attempted two tackles

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                      #176

                      @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024:

                      Finau has a higher ceiling than Frizell in my view.

                      If he played 45mins in RWC final I think he would've made at least two tackles

                      did frizell only make one tackle?!

                      Yes

                      To be fair, he attempted two tackles

                      but he came to save us all!

                      https://media.tenor.com/2cdCrWpaLrAAAAAC/ms-teams-banging-head-on-wall-emoji.gif

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                        I would be pretty happy to see a loose forward trio of Finau, DP and Ardie lining up next year.

                        It would mean Finau has continued his 2023 form, DP has seized the moment. And Ardie is available.

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                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                          I saw Finau a couple of weeks ago. He's much bigger than you think when up close.

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                          @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:

                          I saw Finau a couple of weeks ago. He's much bigger than you think when up close.

                          So he just plays small then?

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                          • S SBW1

                            @Bovidae What about Levi Aumua, he has been talked about as a big impact player.

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                            @SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:

                            @Bovidae What about Levi Aumua, he has been talked about as a big impact player.

                            Emphasis on the big…

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                            • Chris B.C Chris B.

                              @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                              @Chris-B the main reason i am hoping Finau kicks on is, he's a damn sight taller than the other 6 options floated around. And with a couple of new locks also required, the lineout will be under a little more pressure next year

                              also he wrecks fluffybunnies and loves the hard carry

                              I've never noticed before that these posts read differently in the edit pane. Fluffybunnies disappears - to be expected, I guess. 🙂

                              Right now, I'm expecting Finau to be there as well. We need size (especially height) at 6 - especially if Ardie is playing 8.

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                              @Chris-B is that you Blackdragon? 😉

                              I don’t think we have necessarily suffered as a result of lack of height. We win more LO ball than most and our scrum is a pretty dominant weapons with how our back 5 work in connection with the front row.

                              Here’s a thought, let’s pick a bunch of shorter forwards so opposition defenders risk getting YC/RC for not getting low enough on tackles!

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                              • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                @Chris-B is that you Blackdragon? 😉

                                I don’t think we have necessarily suffered as a result of lack of height. We win more LO ball than most and our scrum is a pretty dominant weapons with how our back 5 work in connection with the front row.

                                Here’s a thought, let’s pick a bunch of shorter forwards so opposition defenders risk getting YC/RC for not getting low enough on tackles!

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                                @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024:

                                @Chris-B is that you Blackdragon? 😉

                                I don’t think we have necessarily suffered as a result of lack of height. We win more LO ball than most and our scrum is a pretty dominant weapons with how our back 5 work in connection with the front row.

                                Here’s a thought, let’s pick a bunch of shorter forwards so opposition defenders risk getting YC/RC for not getting low enough on tackles!

                                Did you miss this weekends test? Opposition players don’t need to get low.

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                                • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                  @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  1. Blackadder (I think Razor will pick Blackadder over Dalton here)

                                  Blackadder has bulked up - which he didn't need to do if he wanted to play 7 - pretty clear statement that he's going to specialize at 6 or 8 - most likely 6.

                                  I'm sure he and Grace will be playing 6 and 8 next year for the Crusaders. If they can stay injury free, there's a good chance both will be in the AB squad contesting those positions.

                                  I think Fabian Holland will be worth keeping an eye on. He's got dimensions that few others have.

                                  Billy Proctor a chance in the midfield.

                                  We will need one or two first fives - beyond DMac. Super rugby will be interesting in that regard - to see who emerges on top.

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                                  @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  I think Fabian Holland will be worth keeping an eye on. He's got dimensions that few others have.

                                  Not available until EOYT 2025

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                                    Enough beating around the bush, here is Razor's first full squad:

                                    Props:
                                    Ethan de Groot
                                    Tamaiti Williams
                                    George Bower
                                    Tyrel Lomax
                                    Fletcher Newell
                                    Tevita Mafileo

                                    Hookers:
                                    Codie Taylor
                                    Samisoni Taukei'aho
                                    George Bell

                                    Locks:
                                    Scott Barrett
                                    Josh Lord
                                    Quinten Strange
                                    Pari Pari Parkinson? (We're bloody short on locks, but have a gut fell Vaa'i won't make the cut)

                                    Loose Forwards:
                                    Dom Gardiner
                                    Samipeni Finau
                                    Dalton Papalii
                                    Sam Cane
                                    Ardie Savea
                                    Cullen Grace
                                    Simon Parker

                                    Halfbacks:
                                    Cam Roigard
                                    Folau Fakatava
                                    Finlay Christie

                                    First Fives:
                                    Damian McKenzie
                                    David Havili
                                    Brett Cameron

                                    Midfielders:
                                    Jordie Barrett
                                    Rieko Ioane
                                    Anton Lienert-Brown
                                    Dallas McLeod
                                    Riley Higgins

                                    Outside Backs:
                                    Macca Springer
                                    Mark Telea
                                    Will Jordan
                                    Emoni Narawa
                                    Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens

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                                    • frugbyF frugby

                                      Enough beating around the bush, here is Razor's first full squad:

                                      Props:
                                      Ethan de Groot
                                      Tamaiti Williams
                                      George Bower
                                      Tyrel Lomax
                                      Fletcher Newell
                                      Tevita Mafileo

                                      Hookers:
                                      Codie Taylor
                                      Samisoni Taukei'aho
                                      George Bell

                                      Locks:
                                      Scott Barrett
                                      Josh Lord
                                      Quinten Strange
                                      Pari Pari Parkinson? (We're bloody short on locks, but have a gut fell Vaa'i won't make the cut)

                                      Loose Forwards:
                                      Dom Gardiner
                                      Samipeni Finau
                                      Dalton Papalii
                                      Sam Cane
                                      Ardie Savea
                                      Cullen Grace
                                      Simon Parker

                                      Halfbacks:
                                      Cam Roigard
                                      Folau Fakatava
                                      Finlay Christie

                                      First Fives:
                                      Damian McKenzie
                                      David Havili
                                      Brett Cameron

                                      Midfielders:
                                      Jordie Barrett
                                      Rieko Ioane
                                      Anton Lienert-Brown
                                      Dallas McLeod
                                      Riley Higgins

                                      Outside Backs:
                                      Macca Springer
                                      Mark Telea
                                      Will Jordan
                                      Emoni Narawa
                                      Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens

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                                      @frugby

                                      You missed Blackadder a certainty.

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                                      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                        @Chris-B is that you Blackdragon? 😉

                                        I don’t think we have necessarily suffered as a result of lack of height. We win more LO ball than most and our scrum is a pretty dominant weapons with how our back 5 work in connection with the front row.

                                        Here’s a thought, let’s pick a bunch of shorter forwards so opposition defenders risk getting YC/RC for not getting low enough on tackles!

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                                        @ACT-Crusader We haven't lacked height - it's a big reason they picked Frizell.

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                                          Shaun Stevenson must be in the picture. Is there any truth to talk of Havili playing 10 at the Saders? If he ices that position, he would be a very versatile player. Have barely scene him this year at test level.

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