All Blacks 2024
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
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I think the Six Nations sides all dropped their standards this year (which is normal following a World Cup and I'd generally expect the same of the NZ and Oz, except they've both got new coaches). Wales and Italy may be the exceptions but the only way for both was really up, and it's hard to measure their competence given the drop of the other sides.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
I think the Six Nations sides all dropped their standards this year (which is normal following a World Cup and I'd generally expect the same of the NZ and Oz, except they've both got new coaches). Wales and Italy may be the exceptions but the only way for both was really up, and it's hard to measure their competence given the drop of the other sides.
If full sides are selected we'll soon know how shit the 6N teams are
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
I would think this year they would want to see as many HBs in the environment as possible too.
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Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Why not 20 front row?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Why not 20 front row?
Not planning to replicate the Tahs?
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
DMac?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
DMac?
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
DMac?
So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Newshub reported that he has retired from international rugby. The inference is that retirement is effective immediately, as they lead with the fact that the ABs will have a new captain. Is that not correct (I would not be surprised)
EDIT: He is still keen to play test rugby this season, good on ya Newshub
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
DMac?
So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
DMac?
So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?
Beaudy is our starting 10.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
DMac?
So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?
Beaudy is our starting 10.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
DMac?
So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?
Beaudy is our starting 10.
That's yuck. Beauden Barrett was a shit 10 when he last played there, 2 years ago.
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Provided he was fit, they'll look to get him five tests to get him to 100 I think... is he in the top side? Time will tell.
The obvious three are Fiji, Japan and Italy. Maybe Argie and Aussie?
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Provided he was fit, they'll look to get him five tests to get him to 100 I think... is he in the top side? Time will tell.
The obvious three are Fiji, Japan and Italy. Maybe Argie and Aussie?
Generally speaking there's not a lot of room for sentimentality in rugby but, all the same, would be nice to see him go out captaining the side against Argentina or something in his 100th cap.
He's been an underrated and underappreciated player and captain for the team for a number of years now and he deserves a final match that isn't that World Cup final.
Ignoring his departure, however, I'd still prefer a fit and firing Sam Cane at 7 against the likes of England and South Africa (though I don't know if either of those adjectives apply to him currently) but we do need to see if Hoskins Sotutu can handle those types of teams (assuming he's given another chance to prove himself...), so who knows what will happen?
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Provided he was fit, they'll look to get him five tests to get him to 100 I think... is he in the top side? Time will tell.
The obvious three are Fiji, Japan and Italy. Maybe Argie and Aussie?
Generally speaking there's not a lot of room for sentimentality in rugby but, all the same, would be nice to see him go out captaining the side against Argentina or something in his 100th cap.
He's been an underrated and underappreciated player and captain for the team for a number of years now and he deserves a final match that isn't that World Cup final.
Ignoring his departure, however, I'd still prefer a fit and firing Sam Cane at 7 against the likes of England and South Africa (though I don't know if either of those adjectives apply to him currently) but we do need to see if Hoskins Sotutu can handle those types of teams (assuming he's given another chance to prove himself...), so who knows what will happen?
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@Mr-Fish I can't figure out how Sotutu at 8 relates to Cane at 7. Are we talking Savea at 7?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish I can't figure out how Sotutu at 8 relates to Cane at 7. Are we talking Savea at 7?
Sorry yeah that wasn't super clear.
If the selectors want to try Sotutu against the Springboks and England, it's difficult to see them leaving Savea out of the starting line-up altogether, which would presumably push Cane out of the team.
There's so many permutations, but naturally a lot will become clearer once that first squad is named.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Interesting that Stuff article on Cane mentions a 32 man AB squad. Presume nine front row, four locks, six back row, two halves, two first fives, four midfield and five in back three?
Three halfbacks is a lock in, so probably shave off a back row.
Given we're talking two domestic tests, I'm not convinced three halfbacks is a lock. I expect it will come down to who Razor wants to take a look at. Great shame there's no AB XV match in July.
Not picking 3 halfbacks and 3 hookers in a 32 man squad is madness. Need backup in case someone goes down during warm ups at least
DMac?
So a halfback goes down in warm-up and our starting 10 is our back up 9 vs England?
Beaudy is our starting 10.
That's yuck. Beauden Barrett was a shit 10 when he last played there, 2 years ago.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Can't see the point of selecting a player who won't play Super Rugby in 2024 or 2025. You are effectively selecting a player from overseas. May as well get Mo'unga and Retallick in that case.
I'd select Cane. He's a 95 test AB and AB captain who was playing excellent rugby at the World Cup.
Get a young loosie (I.e. Lakai or whoever) around the squad for the year to soak up knowledge from Cane then transition in 2025.
Presuming the coaching staff are conservative for the England series:
I think the additions to the front rowers club may be solely Numia for Laulala and Aumua for Coles. Locks will be Barrett, Tuipulotu and two others (hopefully McWhannell). Cane, Sotutu, Papali'i, Finau, Savea, Ioane as backrowers (Lakai to come in after England are dispatched). Halves are TJP, Christie and Funaki. First fives are DMac and Beaudy with Havili in the team covering positions in midfield too. Midfielders are Jordie, Rieko, Havili and Proctor. Back three will be Reece, Clarke, Love, Tele'a and ..?
