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  • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

    With the modern game there is the luxury of subbing players at 60 minutes to see how they go.
    Sotutu for Savea, Proctor for R Ioane, Vaa'i for Patty and bring on Numia.
    Overall things are looking good.

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    @BerniesCorner

    I think they are looking very promising overall, outside of a couple of positions such as lock and 10.

    The lock depth is probably a 12-18 month project to give experience to players such as Lord,Darry,Vaai and then bring Holland into the squad when available.

    I think Party T will be in the mix and eventually may be the closest replacement to Barratt when required so I can see him having a couple of seasons with the ABs.

    The forward pack is shaping up to be very strong in every other position.

    10 is an issue as we know. I look forward to DMac starting (and staying fit!)

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      Probably scandalous to suggest - but I am wondering if they might pick Clarke and Reece ahead of Telea as the starting wings. I think both are playing a little better and both have test experience.

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      • FrankF Frank

        Probably scandalous to suggest - but I am wondering if they might pick Clarke and Reece ahead of Telea as the starting wings. I think both are playing a little better and both have test experience.

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        @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

        Probably scandalous to suggest - but I am wondering if they might pick Clarke and Reece ahead of Telea as the starting wings. I think both are playing a little better and both have test experience.

        Clarke is an out and out left winger so it’s between Tele’a, Narawa and Reece for the 14 jersey. The latter 3 can play on the left if needed but playing on the right is something that Clarke hasn’t done.

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          i would go 11. Telea 14. Reece

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            After watching the Crusaders-Blues game yesterday (I wasn't able to see live) I hope that Tuipulotu can translate that ball-carrying to the ABs on a consistent basis. It's not like our likely starting props offer that.

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            • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

              i would go 11. Telea 14. Reece

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              @Kiwiwomble same Telea and Reece over Clarke for me aswell. A back three of Telea, Reece and Love would be electric.

              If I had to pick an AB team to play England it would look like the following:

              1. De Groot
              2. Taylor
              3. Lomax
              4. Barrett
              5. Tuipolotu
              6. Finau
              7. Papali'i
              8. Savea (C) 🙂
              9. Perenara (he starts until Roigard gets back)
              10. McKenzie
              11. Telea
              12. Barrett
              13. Ioane
              14. Reece
              15. Love
              16. Aumua
              17. Williams
              18. Newell
              19. Vaai ?? I don't rate Vaai but I expect him to be there.
              20. Sotutu
              21. Ratima
              22. Barrett
              23. Proctor

              Rest of the squad for me would be:
              24. Taukei'aho
              25. Numia
              26. Tu'ungafasi
              27. Delany/McWhannell/Walker-Leawere/Darry - a bolter here, who knows who it will be.
              28. Lakai
              29. Blackadder - I think Razor will select his man.
              30. Funaki
              31. Leinert-Brown
              32. Clarke

              Squad reserves:
              33. another lock
              34. Jacobsen
              35. Plummer
              36. Stevenson

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              • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                @Kiwiwomble same Telea and Reece over Clarke for me aswell. A back three of Telea, Reece and Love would be electric.

                If I had to pick an AB team to play England it would look like the following:

                1. De Groot
                2. Taylor
                3. Lomax
                4. Barrett
                5. Tuipolotu
                6. Finau
                7. Papali'i
                8. Savea (C) 🙂
                9. Perenara (he starts until Roigard gets back)
                10. McKenzie
                11. Telea
                12. Barrett
                13. Ioane
                14. Reece
                15. Love
                16. Aumua
                17. Williams
                18. Newell
                19. Vaai ?? I don't rate Vaai but I expect him to be there.
                20. Sotutu
                21. Ratima
                22. Barrett
                23. Proctor

                Rest of the squad for me would be:
                24. Taukei'aho
                25. Numia
                26. Tu'ungafasi
                27. Delany/McWhannell/Walker-Leawere/Darry - a bolter here, who knows who it will be.
                28. Lakai
                29. Blackadder - I think Razor will select his man.
                30. Funaki
                31. Leinert-Brown
                32. Clarke

                Squad reserves:
                33. another lock
                34. Jacobsen
                35. Plummer
                36. Stevenson

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                @Canes4life to be clear, clarke still in and around the squad, i just feel Telea and Reece provide a more variety game plan wise and what im really hoping too see is more tailored approach when it comes to game plan, not just try the same thing against everyone

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                • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                  @Canes4life to be clear, clarke still in and around the squad, i just feel Telea and Reece provide a more variety game plan wise and what im really hoping too see is more tailored approach when it comes to game plan, not just try the same thing against everyone

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                  @Kiwiwomble Telea and Reece, though not the biggest wingers are very very elusive and strong in contact. Reece is the best winger in Super Rugby and deserves his chance after being injured last year.

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                  • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @Dolamite said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    Hotham has to be close with Roigard injured, he’s been the best halfback in SR the past month

                    I would think Hotham is also the closest to Roigard as a running HB.

                    He is proving to be quite smart in his decisions around when to run. I also like the way he is still managing to clear the ball while under pressure and at times actually having players hanging off him after they have come through the ruck.

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                    @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @Chris said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    @Dolamite said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    Hotham has to be close with Roigard injured, he’s been the best halfback in SR the past month

                    I would think Hotham is also the closest to Roigard as a running HB.

                    He is proving to be quite smart in his decisions around when to run. I also like the way he is still managing to clear the ball while under pressure and at times actually having players hanging off him after they have come through the ruck.

                    Also he been earmarked by NZR for a couple of years, can see him getting a peek, at leat for A team

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                      The thing Clarke possesses that the others don't is the power to bust through an organised defense, which can make a huge difference at test level

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                      • No QuarterN No Quarter

                        The thing Clarke possesses that the others don't is the power to bust through an organised defense, which can make a huge difference at test level

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                        @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        The thing Clarke possesses that the others don't is the power to bust through an organised defense, which can make a huge difference at test level

                        His kickoff work is really useful too

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                        • DuluthD Duluth

                          @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          The thing Clarke possesses that the others don't is the power to bust through an organised defense, which can make a huge difference at test level

                          His kickoff work is really useful too

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                          @Duluth this is why this AB squad announcement is so intriguing. Roberston could go a few ways for most of the positions and it would be hard to argue with. There is going to be a lot of talented players that will be disappointed at 5pm on July 24.

                          The silver lining is that we will have a very strong All Blacks XV squad.

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                          • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                            @Duluth this is why this AB squad announcement is so intriguing. Roberston could go a few ways for most of the positions and it would be hard to argue with. There is going to be a lot of talented players that will be disappointed at 5pm on July 24.

                            The silver lining is that we will have a very strong All Blacks XV squad.

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                            @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                            The silver lining is that we will have a very strong All Blacks XV squad.

                            Irrelevant for the England series though as they tour later in the year.

                            The Māori ABs play a Japan XV during the June/July window so many who miss out on the AB squad will be involved in that.

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                              It really just shows what a horrible year Stevenson's had given everyones form XV has Love starting at 15 now.

                              Somehow hes managed to make his defence even worse this year, seems to have lost his try scoring touch and his much vanuted kicking game has dissapointed.

                              Was his year to make a massive claim on the jersey especaily with Jordan getting injured so early and boy - has he missed.

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                              • No QuarterN No Quarter

                                The thing Clarke possesses that the others don't is the power to bust through an organised defense, which can make a huge difference at test level

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                                @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                The thing Clarke possesses that the others don't is the power to bust through an organised defense, which can make a huge difference at test level

                                He's worked hard at not immediately looking around for support once he's broken the defence as well.

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                                • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

                                  With the modern game there is the luxury of subbing players at 60 minutes to see how they go.
                                  Sotutu for Savea, Proctor for R Ioane, Vaa'i for Patty and bring on Numia.
                                  Overall things are looking good.

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                                  @BerniesCorner

                                  I agree, very good players coming through in almost every position, not all of them will make it through to be world-class Test player but a few will. I think the 2027 squad will be very strong indeed.

                                  The problem position for me is 10. For whatever reason, the NZ system is struggling badly at the minute to produce First Fives of any real quality.

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                                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    The thing Clarke possesses that the others don't is the power to bust through an organised defense, which can make a huge difference at test level

                                    He's worked hard at not immediately looking around for support once he's broken the defence as well.

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                                    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    @No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                    The thing Clarke possesses that the others don't is the power to bust through an organised defense, which can make a huge difference at test level

                                    He's worked hard at not immediately looking around for support once he's broken the defence as well.

                                    He is very good under the high ball, too.

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                                    • Landers92L Landers92

                                      @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      Probably scandalous to suggest - but I am wondering if they might pick Clarke and Reece ahead of Telea as the starting wings. I think both are playing a little better and both have test experience.

                                      Clarke is an out and out left winger so it’s between Tele’a, Narawa and Reece for the 14 jersey. The latter 3 can play on the left if needed but playing on the right is something that Clarke hasn’t done.

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                                      @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                      but playing on the right is something that Clarke hasn’t done.

                                      Clarke has played on the right for the Blues before.

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                                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                        @Landers92 said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        but playing on the right is something that Clarke hasn’t done.

                                        Clarke has played on the right for the Blues before.

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                                        @KiwiMurph

                                        It barely counts, but he also played 14 against Namibia at the RWC

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                                        • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                          @Kiwiwomble same Telea and Reece over Clarke for me aswell. A back three of Telea, Reece and Love would be electric.

                                          If I had to pick an AB team to play England it would look like the following:

                                          1. De Groot
                                          2. Taylor
                                          3. Lomax
                                          4. Barrett
                                          5. Tuipolotu
                                          6. Finau
                                          7. Papali'i
                                          8. Savea (C) 🙂
                                          9. Perenara (he starts until Roigard gets back)
                                          10. McKenzie
                                          11. Telea
                                          12. Barrett
                                          13. Ioane
                                          14. Reece
                                          15. Love
                                          16. Aumua
                                          17. Williams
                                          18. Newell
                                          19. Vaai ?? I don't rate Vaai but I expect him to be there.
                                          20. Sotutu
                                          21. Ratima
                                          22. Barrett
                                          23. Proctor

                                          Rest of the squad for me would be:
                                          24. Taukei'aho
                                          25. Numia
                                          26. Tu'ungafasi
                                          27. Delany/McWhannell/Walker-Leawere/Darry - a bolter here, who knows who it will be.
                                          28. Lakai
                                          29. Blackadder - I think Razor will select his man.
                                          30. Funaki
                                          31. Leinert-Brown
                                          32. Clarke

                                          Squad reserves:
                                          33. another lock
                                          34. Jacobsen
                                          35. Plummer
                                          36. Stevenson

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                                          @Canes4life why Ratima over Funaki?

                                          But yeah interesting that Hotham has all of a sudden become a favourite for some after running the ball well in a couple of games (and looking awful earlier), yet others have been performing all season and now aren't as good...

                                          What team does Hotham play for again?

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